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01-12-2012 , 07:19 AM

tizzl

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Hey guys,

i was playing this guy for a few minutes. He seems to be reggish - not much besides some small pots and standard pre stuff going on so far...

[converted_hand][hand_history]IPoker, $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11626352

SB: $597 (99.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $701 (116.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8

SB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $27, Hero calls $27

Turn: ($90) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

River: ($90) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $45, Hero ?

River:
I feel this bet is never a bluff often enough to c/c/almost never something worse he bets for value + his range is capped - mine isn´t that much. What you think about river?

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01-12-2012 , 08:06 AM

iggymcfly

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Yeah, I like a CR and I like your reasoning.. If you make it $160, you get him to fold a flush ~85% of the time and he has a flush much, much more often that a boat.

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01-12-2012 , 08:36 AM

tizzl

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Originally Posted by iggymcfly

Yeah, I like a CR and I like your reasoning.. If you make it $160, you get him to fold a flush ~85% of the time and he has a flush much, much more often that a boat.

In game i actually cR pot i think but given that i can´t rep many bluffs i agree, i don´t have to make it that big (has to work like 1/7 of the time more once i pot cr compared to cr to 160).

I was thinking i´d like to give him a worse price to call and avoid getting a "odds" call...

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01-12-2012 , 08:38 AM

tizzl

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Originally Posted by iggymcfly

Yeah, I like a CR and I like your reasoning.. If you make it $160, you get him to fold a flush ~85% of the time and he has a flush much, much more often that a boat.

btw: Do you think c/c river is +ev in average?

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01-12-2012 , 09:11 AM

iggymcfly

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Hard to say without detailed reads, but I think folding is usually a little better than calling, yeah. Raising's much better than both though.

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01-12-2012 , 11:26 AM

asianflushie

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C/r some of the time is good but he is going to have to hero nutflush/A7.

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01-12-2012 , 11:59 AM

Syous

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really? aren't we going to get called pretty often since our line is pretty BSy?

Think I like call more than the rest

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01-12-2012 , 12:02 PM

tizzl

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Originally Posted by asianflushie

C/r some of the time is good but he is going to have to hero nutflush/A7.

Assuming he bets AQ/AK or better on turn but checks back all FD´s he shouldn´t have much more then 5% boats vs 95% flushes on river - ofc we don´t know how many flushes he vbets on river...

But i won´t be to concerned about seeing boats in his spot too often.

Btw: What is the worst hand you guys would bet on river in his shoes for value against us (=we are here and are seen as a reg)?

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01-12-2012 , 12:07 PM

tizzl

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Originally Posted by Syous

really? aren't we going to get called pretty often since our line is pretty BSy?

Wouldn´t we c/r river with a boat mostly?I might cr some AT on flop but will flat lots of them early on against unknow - same counts for A6. So how can we look weak when we rep a range that nearly never can contain air but lots of trips etc. that we HAVE to turn into a bluff?

Think I like call more than the rest

Interessting...so you expect to be good 25%+ in average?

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01-12-2012 , 12:12 PM

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Syous

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imo betting w/a boat > c/ring here

considering he's repping just 89xx yeah, call should be pretty good no?

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01-12-2012 , 12:14 PM

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lwrunner103

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He's probably going to expect us to be bluffing around 40% of the time bc ATxx is probably raising the flop leaving us with only A7xx and A6xx combos for value. Lots of TJKx and TJQx and Axxx that a decent hand reader would assume us to have. Not to mention he could be slowplaying boats on the turn a non-0 %.

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01-12-2012 , 12:19 PM

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tizzl

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Originally Posted by Syous

imo betting w/a boat > c/ring here

I thought that he:
1). might (once in a while) bluff river for what ever reason
2). isn´t going to call with any hand that he isn´t going to bet himself (any flush?) - given that i can ´t rep much air i am not sure he calls 98 versus a river lead (that might the only hand i see him checking back on river)

considering he's repping just 89xx yeah, call should be pretty good no?

So sounds you think he bets no flush on river? Sorry if i miss something (or do you expect him to 2nd barrel any FD on turn)?

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01-12-2012 , 08:59 PM

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iggymcfly

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You're all on too high of a level. No one turns trips into a bluff and trips is almost the weakest hand we can have on the river, therefore he'll expect us to have a boat. Especially if both players have been playing tight and there have been no big bluffs so far. Seriously, I never get heroed by a flush early in a match against a tight player here.

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01-22-2012 , 03:24 PM

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lifeisgood111

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Dont agree that trips is at the bottom of our range here? I do however agree that we look really strong when we raise that river. Do think it would be a good spot to turn a lot of hands into a bluff at this point, including trips.

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