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01-15-2012 , 11:18 PM

Syous

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Villain is playing a very floaty game and anytime you show weakness, he's willing to pot pot and will turn some bad 2pair hands into bluffs.

He's raising 74% otb

If I check turn, I expect him to pot/pot at least 50% of the time

If you prefer to bet, what are you doing on the river?

Poker Stars $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players - View hand 1596029
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $1124.70
BTN/SB: $894.65

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BB with 6

BTN/SB raises to $18, Hero raises to $54, BTN/SB calls $36

Flop: ($108.00) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $66, BTN/SB calls $66

Turn: ($240.00) T

(2 players)
Hero bets ???

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01-15-2012 , 11:46 PM

ChuckBass

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How often does he fold to cbets? Is he calling with Txxx?
I think the least exploitable line here is to bet fairly big / fold. We aren't leaving him much room to raise/fold, so he shouldn't really be raising without a T, especially given its a large part of your range.

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01-16-2012 , 12:51 AM

Syous

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he's folded like 9% to cbets

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01-16-2012 , 01:33 AM

ChuckBass

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meh, i still think b/f is best. I mean unless you are balancing by check/calling with your T hands, which is unlikely on this board. Then you could comfortably c/c turn and c/f river. But like I say who's doing that on a double flush draw board. Tricky.

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01-16-2012 , 10:56 AM

Syous

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Thing is I don't think he folds any flush draw, so are you just betting and c/cing any non-diamond river?

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01-16-2012 , 04:26 PM

urubu111

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interesting spot. idk what id do,but pretty sure i am not betting this turn.

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01-16-2012 , 06:14 PM

Zeestein

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I'd bet small, idk, super thin spot

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01-16-2012 , 09:31 PM

Hoopster81

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Would def check given description

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01-17-2012 , 09:28 AM

time2shine

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haha glad its not just me that has no idea what to do here, reason why PLO rules!

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01-17-2012 , 10:02 AM

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CityHunter

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why not c/c OTF?

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01-17-2012 , 10:21 AM

#11

grinder10

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Originally Posted by ChuckBass

This is in my opinion not a really great plan from a game theory perspective. We actually want leave room for moves/spazz, and if we think villain is out of line (unbalanced > bluffs to often) on theese paired boards we want to be exploithing him to the maximum, by that I mean we should bet small w trips+(or even check sometimes) and overpairs with the intention of calling him down (fold rivers if he is shutting down otr alot) and take the weaker part of my range (air) and bet bigger to not leave room for moves. Tho vs regs we play alot we should bet small w/ range.

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01-17-2012 , 05:41 PM

#12

praios

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wow. at first i am not 3betting pre out hand palys horrible exspecialy against descriped opponent whot ries to take every pot awy. and unfrotunately our hand is not flopping that good most of the time.

as played i am lost as everybody cf and bf are both fine imo do not want to cc because i guess he will fire river also most of the time and thats not ideal if we have our hand

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01-19-2012 , 09:52 AM

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Lasaronen

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What? 3-bet is fine. There's going to be plenty of good opportunities for a turn check-raise with KK67suited.

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01-19-2012 , 11:19 AM

#14

cts

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i don't really like 'betting big' in this spot as part of any gameplan.

bet small or check?

board: 5d 5s td ts
Hand Equity Wins Ties
kh kd 7c 6h 57.64% 344,514 2,690
**** 42.36% 252,796 2,690

board: 5d 5s td ts
Hand Equity Wins Ties
kh kd 7c 6h 34.85% 208,897 428
*d*d**, QQ**, JJ**, 5***, T*** 65.15% 390,675 428

i don't think c/f can be too bad.

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01-19-2012 , 12:23 PM

#15

Syous

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Originally Posted by cts

heh guess it is a simple stove

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: 5

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
kh kd 7c 6h	51.90%	309,411	3,925
74%	48.10%	286,664	3,925

to be more accurate right?

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

2,286,120 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 5

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
kh kd 7c 6h	33.77%	770,949	2,119
74%dd, QQ, JJ, 5, T**)	66.23%	1,513,052	2,119

Does this mean we should pretty much never make herocalls here? it feels so dirty to just c/f every time...

btw if you guys don't mind entertaining another situation, what would you do if you had Kings w/the flush draw?

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

2,184,280 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 5

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
kd kh 6d 7c	44.70%	975,491	1,774
74%dd, QQ, JJ, 5, T**)	55.30%	1,207,015	1,774

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01-20-2012 , 11:51 PM

#16

sauce123

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01-21-2012 , 06:09 AM

#17

SeaKing

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I definitely check.

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