Playing $3-$6 plo 6 max full table, short buy in max $300 buy in. Hero has been at table about 40 minutes and am now sitting on $550. Been seeing a lot of flops and every 3 bet that has gone to showdown has been the nuts shown by me. V1 in hand has $200 and V2 has $475. V1 is only playing the nuts, V2 I have no reads as this is his 4th hand. Most hands pre flop are getting raised to $18 and I haven't been inflating pots pre. On to the hand.

Hero is utg with K:Q108. I limp for $6. Folds around to the button V2 who raises to $18. SB folds, BB V1 calls.
Pot $51
Flop- KJ9. Hero checks, V2 bets $20, V1 folds, I raise to $90, V2 calls. Pot $231.

Turn- K. Hero?

Pump it up pre
Check/call turn

I would pump it up pre also as this is still quite a shallow game and you have a great starting hand.

I would bet fold the turn, betting 1/3rd the pot. If he flats your 1/3rd pot turn bet then check fold the river
unless of course you've housed up.

I feel that if you check call the turn, I'm assuming the bet is near enough pot size, you will be behind a huge amount of the time.

Check calling a small bet on the turn is probably okay as the villain may be stabbing with a missed flush draw and of course you do have some river outs if he is betting a small house.

I led the turn $175, v shoves. I felt like I was pot committed still drawing live. I know leading was the wrong decision but after I lead and he shoves, am I ever folding?

Not the wrong decision IMO if you led smaller for $80 then you can bet fold, but now you've put yourself in a coffin.

You have 10 outs and possibly 11, dependent on if he is holding the Jack of diamonds.

Rough figures, you have 23% equity but need 31% to call, assuming he definitely has a house. I guess you have to call and hope you get lucky and then maybe gain some big stack bullying / putting him on tilt equity which is maybe worth the missing 8%!

So "fu*k it" call, because you are probably going to feel just as bad bet folding a $175 dollar bet as you are making the call and missing your outs on the river.

I guess he could have KJJx which would be unfortunate....... anyway bet size too big on the turn so bet 1/3rd or check call a small bet, check fold to a large bet.

Maybe there is also a tiny chance he has the same hand as you, trips and a straight, but it is tiny, like <2.5%.

Please tell us you made the call, the river was the Jack of diamonds and your straight flush beat his quad Jacks!

Anyway bet fold 1/3rd pot on the turn, or check call a small bet or check fold to a large bet.

I still prefer bet fold 1/3rd pot to any kind of check call play, because you still only have a straight and
if he folds the turn with a flush draw you have folded out his flush draw and therefore stolen equity from him.

It also prevents him checking behind with his flush draw.

You are being offered $200 to $1000 so clearly call.

I think it is a mistake to ever bet fold the turn. Unless he holds specifically KJ all 11 of our outs are clean. He plays JJ / 99 like this almost always, no? Also he will play Ax the same way sometimes especially if he holds a T or a Q as well.

Need bigger stacks to find any tough spots imo.

I wish I had news of a straight flush. I called, v shows JJxx, river bricks. I appreciate the help with sizing, I am mainly a hold em player that has been starting to play more plo as of late. Any advice is always good.

Yeah I have our pot odds a bit wrong, pots odds as you say make it more of a call, but I still prefer a 1/3rd turn bet (bet/fold) for the reasons I gave.

He is only ever raising the turn with a house or the identical hand to ours (diff suits of course) and if he has KJJx we are almost drawing dead.

Stacks are relatively shallow so I don't subscribe to him making some kind of blockers/semi bluff play when we are priced in to call anyway...... he always has a house.

Perhaps it is close between bet/fold, bet/call and check/call a small bet, but definitely $175 sizing is too big, with the only reason to bet that big being to fold out 9s full if our opponent is an exceptionally weak/tight player.

The argument against my view of bet folding an $80 bet is that we are surrendering our own equity by doing so, but I feel this is counter balanced by us folding out a villain's flush draw and by the villain occasionally flatting with bottom house and then re-evaluating on the river.

I think all other plays where we end up just getting it all in on the turn are effectively losing plays as we are behind.

A strange nuance of strategy analysis is that making a play, be it a right or wrong play such as leading for $175, then makes the next play "correct" to call the shove, but we mustn't then forget that the original play of betting $175 may have been incorrect, so therefore the call of the shove is not actually a "correct" play in the overall context of the whole hand, it is only correct as played after the (incorrect sizing) turn lead.

raise pre obv
cf ott
or bet/f small like other dude said