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(3) 50/100 line-check hands from FL this week (3) 50/100 line-check hands from FL this week

08-28-2013 , 09:38 PM
1) 8 handed KJcc94hh raise hj to 300, co calls (slightly laggy indian player, def one of the spots in the game, not very positionally aware and keeps complaining about getting coolored in very ldo non-cooler spots), bb calls (taggish live pro).

Flop T96 chk chk, bu bets 900 bb call i call
Turn 9, bb leads 2500, i call?, btn makes it 7200, bb call, easy fold now right?

2) 100/200 5handed, utg fish sorta loose raiser makes it 600 (15k), bu (54k) calls, sb makes it 2.5k (live pro decent player, 10k deep, just stacked him in ~50K pot so might be raising here just to gamble), I call BB with QJT9ds utg calls bu makes it 4500, sb jams, call or fold?

3) 15k eff co limp, bu thinks to call then raises to 300, I make it 1.2k in sb w AKQTccc, just bu calls. JJ9r, I bet 1.5k bu calls. Turn 8h, I c/c 2.1, river 6o, chk he bets 6.4k. He's been playing pretty good up to this hand, haven't noticed much else.
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08-29-2013 , 05:18 AM
I think you should move down...1 easy fold 2 easy get in 3rd depends on reads but likely to be a fold but the problem is you shouldnt be asking about these hands if you are playing this high.
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08-29-2013 , 05:19 AM
1.) fold to turn lead

2.) assuming you have a 50k stack and depending on BU's range and your table image, re-raising to isolate the SB is also a line you should consider not just call or fold. BU's min 4-bet range here is important as well as SB's ship range. This is a situation you could have very good equity pre.

If you've been following the action at the table, button's min 4bet pre should give you a pretty good definition of his range and what his intentions were with the preflop raise sizing considering the action.

3.) leading turn would make this hand much easier to play, as played you only beat a bluff so make a soul read and go with it.
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08-29-2013 , 10:15 AM
1) fold turn but i might take diff flop line depending on stack sizes.
2) ez call
3) player dependent but ur at the top of ur range and it looks like ur folding alot on river so unless hes incapable of bluffing and wont vb AJ in this spot (n if answer to either question is yes hes not good) i would call.
how long did he think before betting river?
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08-29-2013 , 08:42 PM
1 - Probably folding when a tight player leads so strong into both of you.

2 - Call and then call btn's jam. No way I am folding this hand pre ever

3 - Obviously read dependent. He's going to have a tough time showing up with air unless he floated flop to bluff you. Has he done that to anyone yet? It's a fold by default unless you have a read.
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08-30-2013 , 01:56 AM
Hand 2 absolutely can't be a call. If we're going to play, we're way better off repotting than giving BTN the option whether he wants to call cheap or put 80% of his stack in.
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08-30-2013 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by iggymcfly
Hand 2 absolutely can't be a call. If we're going to play, we're way better off repotting than giving BTN the option whether he wants to call cheap or put 80% of his stack in.
Disagree.

We flat to keep him in with the many hands we dominate. By shoving we get all the lower rundowns out unless he really wants to gamble.

Most of the hands that dominate us will both a) call our shove and b) shove if we flat, so our play in that case is irrelevant unless we plan on folding.

By shoving you are targeting folds from hands like KKxx and TJQK which is such a small range compared to the hands we want in and get out.
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08-30-2013 , 02:58 AM
We're definitely not ever looking to "keep villain in" if keeping him in means we play a dry side pot with him OOP with ~1.7 PSB left. That's a very unfavorable situation for us no matter how optimistic your assumptions are about villain's range. And I don't see him shoving worse rundowns much at all once we prove we're committed. He's more likely to shove the hands that have SD value unimproved and call in position with the rundowns.
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08-30-2013 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by iggymcfly
We're definitely not ever looking to "keep villain in" if keeping him in means we play a dry side pot with him OOP with ~1.7 PSB left. .
The low SPR negates position and our hand is a super easy fit or fold on most flops. What an ideal scenario you are trying to banish.
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08-30-2013 , 05:27 AM
Btn flat raise first then min-4b against the short stack who can 5b AI. Looking at the sb stack, its obv btn expected sb to shove so he can re-shove when it came around. Normally, this indicates a weak AA. I think it would be less likely that he would take this line with low rundown (which will flat call), or premium rundown (which better to PSB or call).

Lets review our outcome if we flat call against btn range.

Btn w AAxx
- if hero flat, he most likely end up calling AI pre as 1:1.5 dog against AA

Btn w better RD eg TJQK
- hero is a slightly worse dog, btn may still shove over us. Even if he call, hero will be dominated on most flop.

Btn w low RD eg >5678
- btn will flat and then we have to make decision on flop with our whole stack at 1.7 SPR at risk while we have only invest 7.5k pre and 42k behind. Hero is OOP and will make more mistake than btn.

If we shove, we are still a 1:1.5 dog against this range (AA@50, TJQK@25, 5678@25) assuming btn will call the entire range.

None of any situations above is favorable for hero.
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08-30-2013 , 01:17 PM
bet flop in hand one, as played id prolly fold turn the first time

2 doesn't matter, how feel you about variance?

3, river is close but id say fold
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08-30-2013 , 02:41 PM
i dont get it. unless we have a really strong read otherwise we can pinpoint bt on aaxx. so calling is way better than shipping in h2.
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08-30-2013 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rand
2 doesn't matter, how feel you about variance?
If you're properly rolled and don't tilt, always err on the side of variance
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08-30-2013 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MATT111
i dont get it. unless we have a really strong read otherwise we can pinpoint bt on aaxx. so calling is way better than shipping in h2.
If we just call, button can repot to 41K getting in ~80% of his 54K stack. There's really not much benefit there trying to save 13K on A-hi flops with no backdoors vs. occasionally getting a fold when he doesn't have AA.
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08-30-2013 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by iggymcfly
If we just call, button can repot to 41K getting in ~80% of his 54K stack. There's really not much benefit there trying to save 13K on A-hi flops with no backdoors vs. occasionally getting a fold when he doesn't have AA.
youre right. misread action.
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08-30-2013 , 08:17 PM
if we fold river in hand 3 we are basically never calling
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08-30-2013 , 08:51 PM
does turn bring a fd in the 3rd hand?

how long does he think to raise pre compared to how long he usually takes? you should know this if co has been at the table long.

first question affects your calling range ott and second can affect how many boats he has

obv in top third of your range but if turn doesn't bring a fd a "good" live pro might just not bluff enough there
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09-01-2013 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by IV.Geoffrey
I think you should move down...1 easy fold 2 easy get in 3rd depends on reads but likely to be a fold but the problem is you shouldnt be asking about these hands if you are playing this high.
Bit of a dick-post tbh, not really any need...

And since when were the biggest live games the toughest?
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