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08-28-2013 , 09:46 PM

MalkasGambit

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Villain is older persian guy, haven't seen him do anything crazy aggro yet, mostly just taking c/c lines, is very cally and loose pre and just lost a pretty big pot prior to this hand straddles mp to 100, I raise A

in HJ to 350, btn calls old guy calls.

Flop Q

chk, I bet 975 just old guy calls (15k eff)
Turn 2

, chk, I bet 2.5k he calls
River 7

he quickly leads 4,400

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08-28-2013 , 09:52 PM

Cm punk

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Snap

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08-28-2013 , 10:14 PM

Aesah

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^this, hand seems like the opposite of "interesting", aka super super super standard on every street?

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08-28-2013 , 11:32 PM

iggymcfly

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What are stacks? I'd say it's significant. This is a spot where I really have a hard time transferring the description of the player into the way I feel about them. I feel if I could see the way the guy dresses and hear him talk, and see exactly how he plays in different situations, I'd have a way better idea what's he likely to do. How often you've seen pots this big is a relevant factor too. Just really hard to transfer all the live dynamics.

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08-29-2013 , 01:47 AM

krmont22

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seems like pretty clear fold

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08-29-2013 , 04:29 AM

ringosnuff

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Originally Posted by krmont22

seems like pretty clear fold

+1 bad bluff spot + villain's description

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08-29-2013 , 04:29 AM

joeri

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Making it 10k (or allin) is def an option. I don't think a call is plus ev with his sizing/bord runout/player type. So i would fold most of the time and raise some of the time.

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08-29-2013 , 04:32 AM

TGSM89

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Don't think a bluff will get through enough given description and SPR or shove...

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08-29-2013 , 05:16 AM

mc123

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given description and action/player + this is a live game, there are plenty of value hands in his range that would play out this way and live players (with similiar descriptions) generally do not fold in spots like this.

It's annoying but think this is an easy fold unless you can soul read otherwise.

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08-29-2013 , 10:27 AM

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Maver1ck

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Looks like an easy fold to me. A player as villain is described imo would never ever bluff here in a live game.

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08-29-2013 , 10:39 AM

#11

SeaKing

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I would not call or raise. ~

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08-29-2013 , 11:31 AM

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gavz101

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Do old dudes lead KK or AA here quickly on the river for value? These very loose guys sometimes get pissed off and bluff in bad spots - especially if they just lost a big pot. Would be super read-dependent this hand. I'd be pretty surprised if he was leading KK or AA for value on the river so I kind of want to call given how thin his value range is. Raising this river vs an old dude seems a bit kamikaze

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08-29-2013 , 11:34 AM

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Karls_Hungus

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Smells like an AJ97 type of hand for the villain. I think its a fold most of the time and a bluff-raise some of the time...

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08-29-2013 , 09:31 PM

#14

Scrudge

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This is very read-dependent spot. Different fish types bluff here from approximately 0% to way too much. Also, their value range can fluctuate between (quads only) to (any seven or better).

If the only thing I knew about the player is that he is a persian fish, I would call.

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08-29-2013 , 09:52 PM

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1oh1

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never. not in plo.

old plo players have by default survived this brutal bitch for quite some time....

they show 7,8,9,j DS with spades.

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Originally Posted by gavz101

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08-30-2013 , 02:37 AM

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OmahaDonk

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Originally Posted by 1oh1

never. not in plo.

old plo players have by default survived this brutal bitch for quite some time....

they show 7,8,9,j DS with spades.

This board is ripe with draws - I don't think that hand value bets us, it is much more likely to get value by letting us bluff busted draws or valuetown ourselves with QT/KK/AA.

I think a value betting range probably starts for most between K7 and 7T and some tight old guys are checking up to TT or even QQ.

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08-30-2013 , 01:11 PM

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rand

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for the love of god do not raise

Id prolly fold based on what you have told us

but the logic for a call is good in an abstract sense

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09-01-2013 , 11:30 AM

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ty4thDime$

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I'm pretty sure if he's betting the river wide enough to make raising legit then we could call with this hand, speshly as I agree with Gavz he v unlikely to be betting AA for value.

The standard for a live game must be to fold, but as we're eeking into the bottom of a reasonable calling range I wouldn't need a huge read/reason to call here, certainly there is NOTHING in the OP to suggest that any such reason or read exists though, so I'd fold for sure.

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09-01-2013 , 02:32 PM

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fanerio

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YOLO

but fold

prob YOLO call if he bet bigger or u have seen him bluff w this sizing

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09-02-2013 , 12:39 PM

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Anthony James

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Seems like a decent spot for him to donk with a strong hand and get called off a large portion of the time. Smells fishy to me, fold.

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09-05-2013 , 11:45 PM

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kazor

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Raising should not be one of your options.

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