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07-19-2020 , 11:34 AM
High stakes live game. Were 6 handed and the following hand goes down. I wasn't even involved in the hand just been meaning to post as I think some will enjoy it.

200-200 blinds, button straddles to 400 and the guy on his right restraddles to 800. Button opens the action by potting to 2800, sb folds, bb folds, utg pots to 9200 off 11k stack, i fold, the 800 straddles cold calls the 9200 off 45k stack and the button who covers everyone repots to 37k, utg calls all in, the 800 straddler calls the 37k...

Flop comes K86hhh... the rest of the money goes in. The button says, "you all are drawing dead" and shows black 33J. I was so like.. what could his other card be? No one else shows their hand and they all decide to go twice. The first runout comes A.. A. The button now reveals his other card which is the other black J.. UTG says thats no good and shows QQ. The 800 straddler shows 468T for a counterfitted two pair to lose half the main and half the huge side pot. The second runout comes 8.. J. So the button scoops the 60k side pot and gets half of the 33k main.

Other than the obvious wtf at all points in the hand, I think that the button actually played his hand well. If he flats the 9k bet preflop he kind of handcuffs himself to flopping well or folding flop imo. Yeah he flops well often enough but by repotting there is a chance to have a dead 9k in a flip with the utg player who only had 11k. Another layer is that maybe just maybe the 800 straddler goes with an inferior hand to JJ33?!?! My initial thought was this would not be the case very often but the guy had T864.

Special hand... the guy shows 33J all black on K86hhh and almost scoops the whole pot. Hope everyone enjoys reading the story as much as I love retelling it.
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07-20-2020 , 01:27 AM
Were you playing with billionaires ?
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07-20-2020 , 05:42 PM
These guys like lighting money on fire yeah?
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07-20-2020 , 07:21 PM
never played in or seen 200-200 game... I understand the point of 100-100 they want it to be a black chip (white chip in LA) game. I don't see the point of 200-200 over 100-200. Sick brag that you can still find/are allowed in these games in 2020
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07-20-2020 , 09:37 PM
No billionaires, yes money moved quickly in this game, not a brag and if people want me to remove posts like this please speak up
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07-21-2020 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Derek4real
No billionaires, yes money moved quickly in this game, not a brag and if people want me to remove posts like this please speak up
No reason to remove if it's legit bro, I'm just always shocked that there are games like this where the play is that bad.

I mean guys are getting all-in pre-flop in 3-way pots with JJ33/468T/QQXX in a 6-handed game for almost $100K pot like it's just another hand to laugh about. To play super deep-stakes PLO you need like 50 buy-ins and it would seem that for this game players are buying in for $50K, so we are talking a $2,000,000+ bankroll.

I know a half-billionaire ($500 million+) through my jiu-jitsu club and overhearing stories about him and his buddies poker games they will buy in for $100K each (sometimes more but rarely). This private game is playing at an obscenely high level and the players seem to be ridiculously loose....would love more hands if you gots em'!
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07-21-2020 , 10:56 PM
Sure one more that I remember clearly was a bluff i got through. Player on my right missed the blinds so he straddles in for 400. Its my button and look down at KT76ss and open to 1600, sb calls, folds to straddler who calls. Flop comes K34r, checks to me i bet 5k, sb folds, straddler calls. Turn Ac brings bdfd. Straddler checks and has 22k in front. I bet 11k and he tank folds. I show T76r and he says he folded an A.
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07-22-2020 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by SocraticGambler
No reason to remove if it's legit bro, I'm just always shocked that there are games like this where the play is that bad.

I mean guys are getting all-in pre-flop in 3-way pots with JJ33/468T/QQXX in a 6-handed game for almost $100K pot like it's just another hand to laugh about. To play super deep-stakes PLO you need like 50 buy-ins and it would seem that for this game players are buying in for $50K, so we are talking a $2,000,000+ bankroll.

I know a half-billionaire ($500 million+) through my jiu-jitsu club and overhearing stories about him and his buddies poker games they will buy in for $100K each (sometimes more but rarely). This private game is playing at an obscenely high level and the players seem to be ridiculously loose....would love more hands if you gots em'!
50 buyins? Try 400.

So far I have not found my local Gracie Barra to be a good source of rich poker fish, but well done you for finding one ;-)
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07-23-2020 , 10:26 AM
The play isnt usually this wide open but there was one action guy who was potting/repotting pre very wide (JJ33), then there was a guy willing to call any bet (T864). So idk if you can see the dynamic from this one hand but it really summed up the way the game was playing. You could wait for top 5% of hands but were 6 handed playing 2-2 and once straddles are in play were pretty shallow. Gotta get in there and gamble given the structure of the game imo.
QQ was completely justified to 3 bet pre in this situation. Like I said JJ33 was trying to iso with 9k dead from T864, but T864 was calling all bets so even if called the range is so wide its basically a never fold postflop situation.
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07-23-2020 , 07:20 PM
See, unless you have 400 buyins for this game, you should probably be sticking to the top 5%. Look up the Kelly Criterion.
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07-24-2020 , 11:30 AM
LOL at NEEDING 400 buyins to play this game. I think you're assuming that this game runs daily or there is an opportunity to put in tons of volume in this game... there isn't. Not that you couldn't lose 400 buyins playing this game, but you'd really have to be special to be on that 399th buyin thinking you're just running bad.
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07-24-2020 , 11:44 AM
I get what you're saying about risking going broke and im not telling people to shot take 10 buyins in a game whenever the opportunity arises. Just saying that being nitty and only playing top 5% will first of all get you excluded from these games, and secondly being a bankroll nit will help you last longer in poker, but will hinder potential progress when you're feeling confident and the lineup is ripe.
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07-29-2020 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by wazz
50 buyins? Try 400.

So far I have not found my local Gracie Barra to be a good source of rich poker fish, but well done you for finding one ;-)
Private Sport BJJ club in San Diego (I'm a brown belt that has trained well over a decade), original founder was loaded to the gills...was already rich but married into mega-money.

I know you are a long-time pro and I greatly respect your PLO advice you share but I don't think you don't need 400+ buy-ins for deep-stakes PLO.

100-150 buy-in is standard for 5/5 PLO...this game is 200/200! I don't think players need need $50K X 400 ($20,000,000 bankroll) to play, but hey - you do you buddy!
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07-29-2020 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Derek4real
Sure one more that I remember clearly was a bluff i got through. Player on my right missed the blinds so he straddles in for 400. Its my button and look down at KT76ss and open to 1600, sb calls, folds to straddler who calls. Flop comes K34r, checks to me i bet 5k, sb folds, straddler calls. Turn Ac brings bdfd. Straddler checks and has 22k in front. I bet 11k and he tank folds. I show T76r and he says he folded an A.
Wowzers! Thanks for sharing my friend, that action is INTENSE.

How many buy-ins (or total amount) will someone dump in on average in a night?

Since it's PLO they must be willing to dump multiple, so does the total amount on the table get up to a couple million?
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07-30-2020 , 09:58 PM
Ive personally never seen over a million on the table. The most ive seen on the table while ive been in the game is probably around 750k. Its pretty typical someone in the game winning over 100k and someone losing over 100k at the 200-200 plo game. Most of the time the game is 100-100 but occasionally gets kicked up when the right players are in the game.

I played 11 hours of 100-100 plo last night. Some fun hands to share. I feel like I punted pretty hard in one hand so I may share that one.
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07-31-2020 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Derek4real
Ive personally never seen over a million on the table. The most ive seen on the table while ive been in the game is probably around 750k. Its pretty typical someone in the game winning over 100k and someone losing over 100k at the 200-200 plo game. Most of the time the game is 100-100 but occasionally gets kicked up when the right players are in the game.

I played 11 hours of 100-100 plo last night. Some fun hands to share. I feel like I punted pretty hard in one hand so I may share that one.
Thanks for sharing some of that inside info; I'm always fascinated to learn how these super-deep-stakes games are set-up and run....don't think I'll ever get to that level but fun stuff nevertheless

Last edited by SocraticGambler; 07-31-2020 at 05:46 PM.
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08-04-2020 , 03:01 PM
The punt or at least what i feel like was a punt was AQJTss out of sb.

I called an open out of the sb and then back raised it when a limper potted it when it got back to him. Then I lead all in on 334dd flop. He had JJ22 and scooped a decent sized one.

We play again tomorrow. GL us
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08-04-2020 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Derek4real
The punt or at least what i feel like was a punt was AQJTss out of sb.

I called an open out of the sb and then back raised it when a limper potted it when it got back to him. Then I lead all in on 334dd flop. He had JJ22 and scooped a decent sized one.

We play again tomorrow. GL us
Did he or you have flush draw? If he did not have flush draw, that's quite a loose call with a read on you by him.
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08-06-2020 , 12:23 AM
You gotta know the guy. After putting in 10.7k each pre and dead money he isnt folding 334 flop.

Tonight was a wild game. Just got home it ran for about 9 hours. Im exhausted. Drove 2 hours each way to the game. Gonna sleep.
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