I am shocked at the trash the "good" players play; even though they play pretty well after the flop (in fact, better than I do). Almost nobody folds for a single raise pre-flop after they call. Nobody 3-bets without Aces; excepting for KK when the idiot raises. Heads-up flops occur only about 15% of the time.

I am perceived as a nit with reasonable justification.

I raise raise to $20 with QcJdTc9s 4 callers.
Flop Jh8c4h. Wrap against flush draw, back-door full house, back-door clubs.
I bet $80, Dude check-raises $240 more and I have $550 left, he has me covered.

He most likely has a set and will never lay it down; but may have top-two, maybe with additional value. I have no idea to judge the chances of either, but "tells" says its a set. If he has a set and I just call, no card will slow him down (not heart, not straight) since we are almost all in. I think he will lay down two-pair if the heart gets there, but I doubt it if I tap it now. If the straight gets there he's drawing to 2 cards, since I will also make a better 2 pair. He will check-fold top-two of the 4 pairs; since I am a nit and surely have an over-pair. I think he would have bet into me on the flop if he had a wrap or other big draw like me.

I think I'm 49:51 dog if he has a naked set; far worse if he also has a heart draw. "Tells" says its a naked set.
If I just call:
I can only lay this down if the 8 pairs; or if the 4 pairs and he bets. If the J pairs I have 9 outs and am almost in the hunt getting a bit over 3-1 to call on the turn to the nuts or almost nuts. I suppose I'll fold if the heart gets there and he bets; where I'm drawing to 13 outs or drawing dead. I suppose.

If I raise all in:
I save the pot if he has no flush draw, the heart gets there on the turn, and I make the straight with that heart or on the river. I get a good bluff if the 4 pairs and he checks.

Raising is also good to counter my nit-image, which is why I did raise.

-Louie

You’re oop with a decent but vulnerable hand in the flop. It’s not clear where the other two players are in the hand, but checking for pot control seems reasonable here.

If you bet out, I think jamming when raised would be expected. Betting then calling would be a very inconsistent strategy.

Interesting spot.

I think I call. I play turn as follows:

1. If I bink on non-hearts, I open shove.
2. If I bink on hearts, I check/call.
3. If 8 or 4 pairs I check/fold.
4. If non-board pairing hearts comes I shove.
5. If J or blank comes I check/call.

I think this line is better than shoving flop. As you say he's pretty much never laying down here. The only time he's possibly folding at this point is if hearts come. You have basically a pot-sized bet, and would represent the flush well. He could fold sets to that line. he'd n

i think flat / ai are both options here. if u flat and his card comes in 300 is short but not too short when its a jam or fold..ive played games when ppl flat and fold turn leaving only 100 behind in similar scenarios..

i just shove it in and run it 2 or 3

If we bink a straight on hearts we need to jam, we can't let a set or 2pr check it back.

It appears we are in position, so I would do this...

He is 100% calling flop if you jam, which given the strength of your hand and whatever he has and the money already in the middle means neither of you are making a mistake. Which is ok but not great.

But... you have a better idea of his range than he has of yours. So I would call, and give him one more chance to make a bad fold or a bad call.

Your draw is strong enough that you can still stack at blank turns, so it's not like you are being bet off your equity by calling.

If you flat, then given your preflop action and "nit" image, your most likely hand in his mind is a nut flushdraw or a stubborn AA with some backdoor or both. Use that to your advantage.

Fold to a turned 8 if he jams. If a 4 comes use your discretion. If he checks, a jam is probably worth a shot.

All non-heart cards call (or if he bizarrely checks, then jam).

If an unpaired flush card comes in and he checks, jam it if you think he will ever fold 2pr, or check it back and try to hit your straight. If he checks again at river and you still haven't improved, there are a few scare cards that might be worth a hail-mary jam (any Ace in particular).

If you call the $240, do you have $550 left or $310

That's a lot of words to say nothing.

I don't really understand what you're trying to say here.

So far the only other reason I see you give:

Which also doesn't make sense.

With top pair and bdfd along with the wrap, I'd ship it in on flop

x/flop

Hand isn’t nutted enough 4 way otf to bet stack off