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09-03-2017 , 11:18 PM

VerdantDevil

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 598

2/5 PLO, 80% of the time there's a $10 straddle, usually from the button.
Stacks:

LAG Pro - $900. Range is extremely wide, known to 4b shove pre for $400+ with mid-low range double-suited rundowns. Extremely aggressive, but very good.
Hero - $1200 - Fairly tight.
MP - $500 - Tilting.

Young LAG reg/pro on button straddles $10. Hero dealt A

UTG, and raises to $35. MP calls, button calls.

Flop ($105): Q

Hero?

I see two options - check/call, or bet. I don't like bet as much as check/call because I'm OOP against a good player and basically just have a NFD betting into two players. Then again, a PSB could steal the pot. Thoughts?

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09-04-2017 , 12:00 AM

HUMBLE.

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Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 2,010

i don't see why you wouldn't just bet your hand for value.

c/call lets other player's dictate the action when you haven't given us a good reason why giving them the initiative is in your best interests.

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09-04-2017 , 05:25 AM

monikrazy

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 28,047

This is a great flop for your hand. You can stack off pretty happily for 100bb, the jt for backdoor straights is signifigant. You even have club blocker against backdoor flush. If the flop checks through it is a fairly bad result for you as very few non-spade turn cards are safe. Not being able to make delayed cbets when we flop such a strong hand is a big negative.

I bet and hope to stack off with tilting player. Check/raise lines can be very cool here but effective stacks don't seem ideal.

Last edited by monikrazy; 09-04-2017 at 05:31 AM.

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09-04-2017 , 10:46 AM

GrimIsCool

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,346

Yeah I wouldn't call it "just the NFD" when you have an over-pair and back-door straight draws (and of course the back-door quad draw!) so think it's fine to lead/GII, especially against the two players you've described.

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09-04-2017 , 12:45 PM

Pirate1081

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 63

This is a great flop. You don't just have a NFD...you have AA AND the NFD. Leading and going with it if raised is the super obvious play. Maybe if mp is badly tilting and being too aggro we could go for a c/r, although giving a free turn is pretty bad.

c/c is crazy.

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09-04-2017 , 01:20 PM

esspoker

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,630

Also backdoor straight draw, better two pair draw, etc. This is a great flop. It seems like an overly cautious style is holding you back here... you're only worried about QQxx... smaller sets are not likely... two pairs are possible but more likely bottom two. Just bet out

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09-05-2017 , 05:53 AM

ProfessorEd

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Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 268

Great flop for your hand and smiling ear to ear to get it in espically back door straight draw as well. You're truly only worried about QQQ as smaller sets are unlikely. I don't understand why you would check/call here. Bet/Raise. Check/Raise. Check/Call in order by a mile and a half

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09-05-2017 , 11:13 AM

MIB211

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,010

This is a great flop for you and you should bet. You may be ahead already and would like to charge people to draw to two pair. If behind you have 10 outs to the nuts on the turn, BDSDs and two pair outs v. two pair. If LAG pro is capable of bluffing with a draw, even better because you dominate all of the draws that want to raise. Basically the only hand you're afraid of is a set.

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09-05-2017 , 07:06 PM

VerdantDevil

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Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 598

It seems the consensus is to bet here, and be happy to GII w/ the 100BB stack. My play looking back seems too cautious. Thank you all for the input.

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09-06-2017 , 10:01 PM

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SolarAU

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Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 1,795

Usually bet/ GII is best, check calling sort of sucks because your hand needs a lot of protection from 1 pair type hands, straight draws etc. Hands that could check through and realise their equity for free, plus you want to give dominated flush draws a chance to put a lot of money in with poor equity.

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09-11-2017 , 09:28 AM

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AveeMaria

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 3,714

Tilting MP with half a stack, and a lag pro. Clear bet otf.

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