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Old 09-18-2017, 01:30 PM   #1
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2/5 PLO, facing large river bet

Villain's image is tight, and he is a frequent winning player.

Stacks $1500 effective
Hero dealt AQQ9 in hijack.
Cutoff straddles $10
Villain on button raises to $35
Folds to hero, who raises to $100. Folds to button, who calls.

Flop ($210) AK2
Hero bets $150, button calls.
Turn ($510) 7
Hero checks, button checks
River: 6
Hero checks, button bets $400. Hero?
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Old 09-18-2017, 08:27 PM   #2
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Re: 2/5 PLO, facing large river bet

"villain's image is tight"
"frequent winning player"

hero is thinking about calling off the river with top pair?

what bluffs does V even have on this board? QJTx I guess (which you're blocking hard); most bricked diamonds should have Ad in them (thus V would check behind)

If you made a sick hero call with TPTK then nice job, but a tight winning player here is showing up with some sets and lots of two pairs.
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Old 09-18-2017, 10:38 PM   #3
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Re: 2/5 PLO, facing large river bet

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"villain's image is tight"
"frequent winning player"

hero is thinking about calling off the river with top pair?
In situations where V is well aware of their image, and they are apt to exploit the table because of it, then it's reasonable to hero call them now and again, assuming they are capable of bluffing.

What sets is V showing up with? AA would probably re-raise pre; KK and 77 would probably at least bet turn; 22 fold probably fold pre; 66 seems possible I suppose.

Do you think V value bets AK on river?
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Old 09-19-2017, 01:50 AM   #4
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Re: 2/5 PLO, facing large river bet

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In situations where V is well aware of their image, and they are apt to exploit the table because of it, then it's reasonable to hero call them now and again, assuming they are capable of bluffing.

What sets is V showing up with? AA would probably re-raise pre; KK and 77 would probably at least bet turn; 22 fold probably fold pre; 66 seems possible I suppose.

Do you think V value bets AK on river?
I agree he has few combos of AA (especially given you've got the 2nd A) and he'd be more apt to either 4! or bet turn with them. Honestly though, KK and AK seem the most apt to take this line (and hands like 9877, A225 if V is capable of having those).

We don't have that much info about your image, but given that you check turn and river and that you're considering calling with AQ here, value betting top two on the river by V is pretty reasonable. Not sure if V thinks you're capable of x/r the river with weak holdings.

A lot of this point feels like it has to do with what level you / V are playing at. If he's tight, this is KK or tightly played AA; snapfold.
If he knows you think he's tight, he's more likely to bluff thinking you will fold.
If you know he knows you think he's tight, you can hero call his bluffs.
Of course, if he knows you think he's getting out of line because he's got such a tight image, then we go back to square one and this becomes a fold again.

Just curious, what sorts of combos do you expect to be ahead of when you call? Missed rundowns and bricked non-Ad diamonds?

Where are we at in our own range based on 3betting OOP? Do we have rundowns with 76 in them on this river (perhaps 8765 with diamonds?) Do we have AKxx hands? Do we have low suited aces (A245?) Do we have KKxx?
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Old 09-19-2017, 02:04 AM   #5
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Re: 2/5 PLO, facing large river bet

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What sets is V showing up with? AA would probably re-raise pre; KK and 77 would probably at least bet turn; 22 fold probably fold pre; 66 seems possible I suppose.
If you are the kind of player who V thinks will usually bet a flush draw on the turn, I could see V checking KK on the turn to induce a river bluff.
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Old 09-19-2017, 11:23 AM   #6
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Re: 2/5 PLO, facing large river bet

If you are going to raise preflop to $100 OOP against the Villian, I think you should bet the flop as you did and then lead out the turn. You can credibly represent AAxx or KKxx, and even if your opponent has KKxx you can still put him in a tough spot as you can easily be repping AAxx. Depending on your image and typical style of play of course ( have no info on you)

If you're going to bet flop check turn, then I suggest just calling preflop to keep your ranges wider and not bloat the pot OOP.
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Old 09-19-2017, 11:29 AM   #7
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Re: 2/5 PLO, facing large river bet

It's so hard for Villain to be bluffing with you holding QQ. Any 1 pair AxxxDD is checking back. Ace's up + is definitely betting for value. I think his most likely holding in this spot is top Aces and Kings or Aces and 7's. I could see him checking back the turn as to avoid a potential trap being set by you to check raise all in. When you Check the river, he knows he has best hand and now bet's on the biggish side so you could think he is bluffing.
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Old 09-21-2017, 12:24 AM   #8
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Re: 2/5 PLO, facing large river bet

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Old 09-24-2017, 07:24 AM   #9
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Re: 2/5 PLO, facing large river bet

Turn action gave away river decision
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Old 09-24-2017, 09:56 AM   #10
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Re: 2/5 PLO, facing large river bet

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Turn action gave away river decision
Meaning?
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Old 09-24-2017, 05:17 PM   #11
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Re: 2/5 PLO, facing large river bet

arrrrrrr in.
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Old 09-24-2017, 10:41 PM   #12
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Re: 2/5 PLO, facing large river bet

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Meaning?
I think he means that when you check turn you effectively give away the strength of your hand. Since you essentially turned your hand face up, he can bluff or check behind at will, and you're blind as to his range. So you pretty much have to fold, unless you get a live read.
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Old 09-25-2017, 09:03 AM   #13
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Re: 2/5 PLO, facing large river bet

^ more or less.
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Old 10-02-2017, 04:41 PM   #14
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Re: 2/5 PLO, facing large river bet

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I think he means that when you check turn you effectively give away the strength of your hand. Since you essentially turned your hand face up, he can bluff or check behind at will, and you're blind as to his range. So you pretty much have to fold, unless you get a live read.
^ exactly

Betting flop is very bad cause you're not going for 2 streets of value unless you improve to straight or set..

SOO.. Assuming you've only got 1 bet for the strength of this hand.. And you chose the flop...

You need to c/b/c... Not b/c/c/c..

As played, very easy fold with AQ.. V is probably owning you with a low 2 pair hand and will wait till you show first lmao
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Old 10-03-2017, 09:19 PM   #15
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Re: 2/5 PLO, facing large river bet

Hero made the call

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