[Is there a good Global Poker HH converter? Haven't posted a hand from there before]

Bloomington, 2.5/5, PL Omaha
Player Starting Balance Net Result Final Hand
Player#3170 1,580.63
Player#5831 1,521.89
Hero 654
Player#4201 200
Player#3516 665

Hero in the BB w/ Ad8dQhTh. UTG raises to 17.5, every one calls to me. Due to the short stack nature of the UTG raiser, I opt to flat here out of the BB. My thinking is that there are few scenarios where a raise doesn't still result in a 3 or 4-way flop. Open to hearing thoughts otherwise...

Flop: 3h6h7h

SB checks. I check. I can't see a bet here ever being profitable. UTG bets 3/4 pot (43.75), CO folds, BTN calls, SB folds. I would fold against several players I have notes on, who either would never bet this spot without nut flush or players who'd put enough pressure on me that I'd have to fold on later streets. Here, this table had been passive enough with both UTG and BTN being unknown to me except for the 20 minutes at this table. I call. Thoughts? I probably fold J Hi flushes in this spot.

Turn: 7d
Bad card for me and likely UTG too. Probably good card for BTN. It checks through.

River: 6d
My main question for this post: Is betting this river great thin value, or a great way to value own myself?

This forum has become the "it depends" forum. But in all fairness a lot of the situations might be so close that it is a only a 5-10% difference in playing the hand either way preflop.

Preflop out of position with this particular hand I am 3-betting. And for completeness, I'm 3-betting all three of the double suited combinations of AQT8. You have the best combination with [A8][QT] then [AT][Q8] is a close second since these two combination are both double suited to the two high cards and [AQ][T8] is the weakest of the combinations, but still a 3-bet here.

I listed the combinations because it is relevant postflop. By having that queen high flush combination you have the third high flush which is a hell of a lot higher than if you had the ten high flush. There are huge EV groupings of nut flush, 2nd/3rd nut flush and then every other flush. Being a 1st/2nd/3rd nut flush is huge. But even with the 3rd nut flush, in this particular situation I am still checking every street against this many players.

And back to preflop, I am 3-betting the double suited AQT8 combinations and cold-calling every other version except the rainbow version which I am folding. Hopefully it isn't a dozen posts where people are saying AQT8/rb is too sexy to fold here.

Thanks ladybruin. Just realized that my math at the table was wrong and UTG could re-open betting even if I potted it, which would have been a good scenario.

If I 3B to 105, and UTG flats, what would be your recommended approach on this exact flop, if we have 1 or more trailing caller to UTG's call?

I'm 3 betting. Would fold rainbow.

If you 3-bet, your stack to pot ratio will be low enough that there is no way you can ever fold once you flop a flush.

You are not all in on the flop, but at this low of an SPR you are never folding a flush. Therefore you are technically all in and get to realize your equity. So do you believe in being able to "over realize" your equity?

If the two big stacks are still in the hand, I would not bet the flop. I believe in the ability to "over realize" equity. Some might be saying what the hell does that mean. If the other two big stacks are still in the hand, I would check and hope that one of them bets the other out of a hand that would have beat you on a future street. For example you bet the flop and don't scare either of the two big stacks versus a scenario where you check and big stack #1 bets the flop and big stack #2 folds a hand like a set on this flush & straight board that would have made a full house on the turn. This is a funky scenario you have to pick up on fast if the two big stacks are still in the hand.

If only one or none of the big stacks are left in the hand after your preflop 3-bet and you don't have that opportunity to "over realize" your equity, then anything you do is cool with the hand being played at such a low SPR. Just never fold a flush at this low an SPR. I probably check hoping someone bets their low flush or straight that they might have folded had I done the betting. But if you do check, you have to accept that the board might pair on the turn or river and screw up your best laid plans.

I’d feel very very dirttyy not squeezing pre here

Pre is an easy squeeze.

It's not about folding or not. If they fold good. If they don't fold. Good. You push ridiculous equity.

Flop is close to fold. You wouldn't lead this combo. In general you don't lead much at all without nut blocker.

River is never ever a value bet. You would turn some combos of flushes with pair blockers into a bluff.

even though the bolded is an obvious (and flawed) jab at me I agree with this entire post.

Couple of questions:
- Is the 3B a squeeze (intention to fold out others) or a value 3B? I'm assuming the latter but want to confirm
- What kind of hands are you 3B here, and are they all for value or do you throw in some random ds crap too?

I honestly hate 3B gapped AXXXds, simply from having been burned running into AAxx too often. I'm more comfortable 3B KQT8ds in this spot.

It's generally not recommended, especially at PLO, and especially preflop, to view things in a bluff vs value dichotomy.

Ultimately all it means is you make more money squeezing than calling.

AQT8ds is just a massively strong hand. By squeezing, you either gain value by juicing the pot, or increase your ability to realise by folding players out. Either way is a win for you.

Yeah pushing equity means getting into bigger pots with more marginal hands, but that's why good players who aren't scared money make more money.

You run into AAxx less if you have an A blocker.

It's really kind of both working at the same time.

I'll list a simple, but reasonable approximation to the non-paired hands. I'm listing the highest card in the hand and the lowest card in the hand.

Lots of A***/ds
K--7/ds
Q--6/ds
J--7/ds
T--6/ds
9--5/ds
8--5/ds

The aces are many different hands, the important part of this list for the non-ace hands is that the top three cards need to be connected AND the bottom three cards need to be connected. Therefore, you would play Q986/ds, but you wouldn't play QJ76/ds.

Single suited non-paired hands is a small list.

ace-broadway-broadway-broadway/single suited to the ace



Think back to hold'em, there are 6 ways you can suit AA. If you take out one of the aces, then you are down to only 3 ways to suit AA. By having an ace in your hand you greatly reduce the chances of your opponent having AA. Therefore, you would rather have Axxx/ds than KQT8/ds. There are about 4 times as many Axxx/ds hands I would play compared to Kxxx/ds.

Much appreciated on the feedback! Y'all have definitely given me something to think about and work on