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03-04-2020 , 03:58 PM
2/5 Anonymous site, villain seems like an ok regular after 30 hands, no real solid reads. BB looks like a regular after 10 hands.

[converted_hand][hand_history]Ignition - $5 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

CO: $845.84 (169.2 bb)
BTN: $766.87 (153.4 bb)
Hero (SB): $524.31 (104.9 bb)
BB: $472.50 (94.5 bb)
UTG: $1,351.02 (270.2 bb)

Hero posts SB $2.50, BB posts $5.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50) Hero has K 7 K T
2 folds, BTN raises to $17.50, Hero calls $15.00???, BB calls $12.50

Flop: ($52.50, 3 players) 9 8 A
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $37.41, Hero calls $37.41, fold

Turn: ($127.32, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BTN bets $72.16, Hero raises to $263.64, BTN calls $191.48

River: ($654.60, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets $325.80, Hero folds?
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03-04-2020 , 11:42 PM
Would fold to the open pre. If not fold to the open then 3 bet to try and get heads up. Might play that hand under different circumstances but the T7/KT gaps are pretty wide and you're only single suited and your position sucks.

Flop is probably a flat out fold with no reads on villain, none of your draws being to the nuts and the flop favoring villain's range to some extent.
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03-05-2020 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by just_grindin
none of your draws being to the nuts
he makes nut on turn, no?

I like all streets, although turn x/r could be sized up. nice and tough laydown getting 3:1. some may say you have to look him up every once in awhile to keep from getting exploited, esp facing a smallish rvr bet.
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03-05-2020 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 5th Suit
he makes nut on turn, no?



I like all streets, although turn x/r could be sized up. nice and tough laydown getting 3:1. some may say you have to look him up every once in awhile to keep from getting exploited, esp facing a smallish rvr bet.
There are redraws to higher straights.

JT would be the nut draws with 98 on board.

Edit: i will concede I probably should have said you only have 4 outs to the nuts on the flop.
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03-05-2020 , 09:29 AM
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Would fold to the open pre.
We have a VERY strong hand here preflop. PPT ranks it in the 5th percentile for six handed play (basically one of the strongest hands you can have that isn't aces), and even stronger for 3 handed. Villian is opening the button, so is presumably quite wide. I simply do not see a case for folding pre, although I do think we should play "tight" in this scenario.

I could see a flop fold. We're not closing the action and have only four nut outs.
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03-05-2020 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
We have a VERY strong hand here preflop. PPT ranks it in the 5th percentile for six handed play (basically one of the strongest hands you can have that isn't aces), and even stronger for 3 handed. Villian is opening the button, so is presumably quite wide. I simply do not see a case for folding pre, although I do think we should play "tight" in this scenario.

I could see a flop fold. We're not closing the action and have only four nut outs.
Their ranking system is based on reaching showdown and doing better than break even by putting 1 chip in the pot with no betting. Not saying it's any better or worse than any other ranking system but my concern would be reaching showdown to realize it's potential especially as I am assuming we'll be 3+ ways more frequently and I imagine this hand loses more of it's potential going multiway.

I admit I might have been slightly biased by this particular board and ignoring all the other times we have clear paths to showdown and that if we are not playing what we are considering in the top 5 percent we are folding way too much.

Edit: I am also forgetting the entire space of starting hands and just how large it is.
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03-05-2020 , 11:46 AM
Certainly can NOT fold this hand preflop and we aren't even close to the bottom of our sb defense range with it.

tt97 single or something would be close... or a887 single to a... connected kings is a standard call or 3 bet and a very bad fold.

Turn and river seem fine, we are going to have some folds on this run out and this seems like a good hand to start, if we somehow blocked a pair+had a straight going to be much harder to fold. We are certainly calling 9t7 for example so I'm not worried about us folding too much if we majority fold this hand.
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