CO: 327.6 BB (VPIP: 26.15, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 65)
BTN: 213.5 BB (VPIP: 96.15, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 27)
Hero (SB): 88.4 BB
BB: 76.4 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6s Ts 8c Tc
fold, BTN raises to 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 11.5 BB, fold, BTN raises to 34.5 BB, Hero calls 23 BB

Flop : (70 BB, 2 players) 6c Kh 3s
Hero checks, BTN bets 66.5 BB, Hero calls 53.9 BB and is all-in

Turn : (177.8 BB, 2 players) 8s

River : (177.8 BB, 2 players) 8d

BTN shows Kd Ac 5d Ad (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
(Pre 57%, Flop 63%, Turn 18%)

Hero shows 6s Ts 8c Tc (Full House, Eights full of Sixes)
(Pre 43%, Flop 37%, Turn 83%)

Hero wins 169 BB


What's the GTO line here? My best guess is x/r with 2 bdfd and MP.

What adjustment's do we make v.s. a 95/50 who has not folded to any 3bets and stacked off super light on previous hands (27 hands)

fold pre

Not here.

BTN: 213.5 BB (VPIP: 96.15, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 27)

This is a leak. Against a whale you must be 100bb deep.

Just GII pre with d/s tens after putting in 1/8 of your stack. You have to give whales action when it's close.

No, this is completely the wrong approach to dealing with a maniac. You want to get the money in as a favourite, not an underdog.

If we give him top 15% - I think this is fairly conservative given he 3bets 33%, then we have around 45% equity. We cannot fold 45% once we have put in so much pre. I could get around a call pre because we are not pushing much equity pre, but once we have raised, folding is a mistake, and since flatting achieves little, we might as well GII.

I think with regards to maniacs, it is important to play a high-variance (but still +EV) game against them. because they will enjoy playing you more, and will be happier to pay you off when you do have the nuts. If that's all you ever show, they will tire of you quickly.

I agree in general with your tight approach but I guess we diverge slightly here.

Three bet stats are not considered reliable over 27 hand sample sizes. Just because your opponent starts playing like a monkey doesn't mean you should mimic them.

That hand is does not play well enough OOP to justify 3betting your small preflop edge vs maniac. Call pre if BB is not aggro and does not understand squeeze wider here.

Plo sure is a crazy game. I wish for villains to call all my 4bets with TT68 : )

3 bet stat is meaningless (lol samplesize) and due to the fact that villain isn’t 3 betting.. How did he get 200bb deep?

I think every street is played pretty terribly regardless of how big a ‘whale’ villain may appear to be..

Even if villain has AA exclusively (brilliant trap btw to play 26/27 hands, raising 14 and 3betting 9 so we are fooled into thinking you maybe sometimes don't have Aces), H played the hand mathematically perfectly (after the 3bet).

Disprove.

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This is actually a standard 3bet according to the Matrix?

Standard 3bet according to Matrix? Please elaborate?

Yeah, I agree. There isn't even a question whether I had the correct equity after my 3bet. Matrix says standard 3bet btw. Thank you for your thoughts. Just started posting in this forum but there seems to be a trend of "attack" instead of "Help/thought process". Appreciate your insight.

I agree. I was practicing my shortstacked game (started 50BB), however (Going to fire some PLO tourneys at the WSOP this summer).

Please elaborate as this is a standard 3bet according to the Matrix?

fold pre to 4b, fold flop because you have TT and are needing to hit with no real draws where you're 100% behind. The adjustment i would make is to get in situations where you're a decent favourite and make him stack off with inferior made hands or draws.

Overall i think this hand was played horribly because with your stack you put yourself in a position post-flop where you only had a 3/4 pot sized stack left with an inferior hand and sorta had to throw good money after bad.

Don't worry, this guy comes into every post saying fold pre unless it's double suited Aces and even then he might find a way to fold if there's enough money put in and they're not connected.

TT68ds is a standard 3 bet from sb?!!?

Thank you to everyone who actually took some time to think through the hand before posting a "fold pre" or "You played like a monkey" comment. Appreciate your insight.

First off, to the nits who are folding this pre... This is a standard 3bet from SBvBU, go check the Matrix for yourself if you don't believe me.

Second, After Villain 4bets I am getting laid 2:1 on the call (33%). Even in the worst case scenario where Villain shows up with AAds ONLY in his range, my hand has almost 40%. And yes, I understand we can't fully realize this equity out of position. Also, this certainly is a much tighter range than V is capable of 4betting with.

Third, I have 37% postflop against what villain actually shows up with. I needed about 30% to get it in. Against what this really fun player's range is (Maybe I should have put more emphasis on how fun he was) it's much higher than what he actually shows up with.

I was more or less trying to figure out what would be better here as far as just jamming pre or going postflop and folding on the very worst of boards for us. Figured on the worst of broadway boards we can get away from our hand happily. On this particular board I proceeded as planned and went with it.

Poker is certainly not dead... Good luck to you all at the tables!

i like this meta vs whales.

I think we make too many mistakes post flop and would take our equity pre.

I think I agree with this. I just don't know how to quantify it.

It's about visibility. If you had 4567ds you can more reasonably call pre and give up on thw worst flops.

This hand is extremely similar to having say 77 in holdem in the same spot versus the same player.

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I'd play 3b/fold here
the villain hand often dominates us both in pair-type hand and draws

it's not fold pre obv, it's sometimes call if you have a station on BB, but most part of the time TTds with somewhat gapped connection is an auto-3bet vs steal
btw can we fold that flop? we got 7 outs + 2bdfd, is that enough for profitable stack off vs made hands here?

It's true 27 hands isn't a significant number, and I've often felt that I sometimes over aggressively deviated strategy against opponents based on a small number of hands. Often remembering the times they turned up with crappy KKxx when I had QQ86ds .

I probably just call pre., and x/call flop (after flop it plays itself) ... if I 3bet I probably just go with it pre. because it mentally hurts less to get it in pre. and lose than call and x/f on KJx ... this is not a good strategy though .

This hand feels like it showcases how we're all nits vs. the matrix, and that it's a scary gambling game.


That feels like the worst option, I'd much rather just call instead of that.

This assumes his betting range always has us beat. Much more likely he shoves close to 100% of flops with 100% of his 4bet range.