Game is 2/5 straddle (this hand its $20)

Interested to know the line you take on the flop.

Involved players:
HERO - Viewed as 50% maniac, 50% solid -- depending on number of drinks, getting stuck etc Playing standard this session and not getting out of line

V1 - Reg, loose passive -- history with hero has built up a propensity to never click the fold button vs hero. This has worked for them more than it has not. Gets very sticky with draws

V2 - Rec player, seems spewy -- Just played this hand vs the man
HERO ($1700)
Villan ($850)

AsKc10s8c

Pre: 4callers of the straddle, I bump it up to $100 in SB. Two callers

Flop Ad8s3s

I lead $225, he calls

Turn 4c

I pot, put him all in, and he calls with 2c4c5d9d

River blank, he wins

V3: Super tight, very ABC, not much history but he has been shying away from aggression unless he is absolutely nutted

HAND IN QUESTION:

HERO: $1.6k
V1: $3k
V2: $1.8k
V3: $2k

HERO: AsKs10s10h

Straddle UTG, V1 raises to $50 UTG +3, I call in BB, 5 to the flop total

Pot: $280

Flop: Jh10d4s

I check, UTG check, V1 bets $265....V2 calls....V3 calls on button

ME?

More to come....

pot

not much more though?
+1 to pot

I think smooth call the bet, and then pot the turn or go all in.

My thought process was:

OTF,

V1 - is not likely to fold vs my raise with all of her range she bets the flop with. Except dry AA...which she would only lay down 50% of the time given our history...meriting POT-city.

V2 - based on his previous stationing, probably wouldn't be able to resist getting 3-1 on a call...but did think that he could recognize a POT + call means playing for 50% of the pot with a draw...and could fold.

V3 - if he shows up with JJ, nice hand (gutterball FTW). If not, he folds

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So, removing V3 from the scenario...

If we get it in OTF, we are 60-40 heads up vs the full wrap, and even better vs all other 2 pair + draw hands.

But, if it goes 3 ways, I can assume that all of the following are bad cards:
Ace, King, Nine, Eight, Seven (maybe a Jack). I would assume that at least 8 of these cards are in Hero + villians hands given the 3 calls in front of me) -- So I'm only looking at a bad outcome <33% of the time.

In the event a bad card hits its likely that my board pair outs are slim pickins' so I would get in a tough spot OOP

If we don't pot and the board pairs, the action is likely dead...but I would probably still get called if the straight hits on the river by V1 and V2 on a paired board

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IRL, I did raise pot, but if I had it to do over, I think I would have flatted and shipped a blank turn card, which just looks super bluffy with my image.

Over 2/3 of the time, a blank hits the turn (which it did, 2), and I can ship first to act, and the other players have to worry about those behind so I essentially get a free card to improve my equity when I put in $1300.

OR I can make a decision for the remaining stack the 33% of the time a straight gets there on the turn.

Since I only had $50 in the pot pre, seems like this line is slightly better as I prefer to be pushing action IP for 640BB, vs putting it in with slight edge with 2 cards to come, but wondered what others opinions might be.

Flatting would be bad and your reasoning for doing so doesn't make sense

****, I just wrote a decent sized post and then accidentally erased it.

POT.

Flatting is an inferior option. Like you said, A,K,9,8,7 are all bad cards, and that's over a third of the deck. True, you may "survive" the majority of the time when they hit, but there's a bigger issue: you won't know when you're good and when you're not. If one of those 18 cards come (granted, it's likely less due to card removal effects of your opponents), then you have two options: shove or check. Both options suck. Here's why:
If you bet: you're effectively turning your hand into a semibluff - you'll be called only by hands that beat you and the occasional monster draw.
If you check: two possibilities: someone else shoves (in which case you're in a ****ty situation and probably fold) or everyone else checks. If everyone checks again, then they get another free card with which they can possibly outdraw you, possibly with even more outs (if they pick up a flush draw or two pair for a bigger boat).

Oh, plus the queen is an action-killing card and the jack may be cursed with reverse implied odds.

Also, I strongly disagree with shoving the turn looking "super bluffy." You need a maniacal image for that. If I see someone shove the turn in this spot, I'm thinking they have top two pair or bottom/maybe middle set the strong majority of the time, particularly with a picked up draw.

I don't think I want to go 4 handed to the turn, as their combined equity makes me a little uncomfortable as it relates to the visibility of my hand if I don't hit a Q. Since equities run much closer in PLO than other flop games, part of my strategy is to use pressure to disallow opponents from realizing said equity. Plus:

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V1 - Reg, loose passive -- history with hero has built up a propensity to never click the fold button vs hero. This has worked for them more than it has not. Gets very sticky with draws

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So yeah, Pot>flat, IMO.

So much money in the middle makes up for the frequency that you run into jj. Flatting puts you in an awkward turn spot where a pot sized bet is still all in and we wont really know where we are in the hand unless we hit our 5 outter. Even when we hit a spade we will have a really marginal decision. I think we jam we will get an even enough range of outcomes to make this a profitable jam.

V1 looks like he has some top wrap with an overpair. and your other two Vs look like they also have wraps. I am jamming this all day as they most likely have each other's outs.