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2/5/10 3-way Turned 2nd Set & FD IP. 2/5/10 3-way Turned 2nd Set & FD IP.

04-09-2012 , 06:37 PM
3-handed game. Blinds are $2/5/10 but occasionally $2/5/$20 due to a straddle. Guy to my left is on tilt. Villain and I are both in the game to take his money.

I'm $3600 behind and OTB with T 3Tk.

Tilter limps, Villain makes it $50, I call $50. Tilter calls $50.

Flop is Q 56

Tilter checks, Villain bets $150, I call $150, Tilter folds.

Turn is T

Villain bets $300. I raise to $1100 and he shoves for $2400 more.

Villain has me covered but only slightly. I've played with villain a LOT, he's usually aggressive but has tightened up a lot recently, is good and has played live PLO professionally for last four years with me. He's never shoving 55xx, 66xx here this deep and probably won't raise many combinations of those hands pre.

He'll shove big draws with a Q. Going to fold most weaker overpairs + fds unless he has 8+ straight outs. He "sometimes" will shove a naked draw here if he thinks that I have a smaller set and that he has FE but I'd say it's easily less than 20% of the time. QQ makes up the majority of his range.

Last edited by Whippersnapper; 04-09-2012 at 07:06 PM.
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04-09-2012 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Whippersnapper
He'll shove big draws with a Q.
Call.
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04-09-2012 , 09:10 PM
if u think his range is mostly qqq then why would u raise? lol

this is a pretty easy fistpump snap shove dude. if he has trup ladies then fffff it, hit a club
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04-09-2012 , 10:58 PM
yeah call given your description of villain and his turn range... there are a ton of "big draws with a Q"
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04-10-2012 , 01:53 PM
If villain's so passive that you're not sure if you have enough equity to call his shove on the turn, then flop's a really clear fold.
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04-11-2012 , 09:56 AM
You're focusing on the wrong things mate. I bet there's tons of other spots where you're leaking money but you don't even realize it. Try to identify those instead of questioning what to do in a hand that plays itself.
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04-11-2012 , 10:59 AM
Not sure if I like the call otf because tilter can c/r or c/c with a better FD. Heads up would be different.

YOur line ott has to look really strong to V yet he chose to put in another raise. To me that says he is really strong like QQxx or a monster draw like AKQJ, KQJ9, QJ98 especially if he has clubs. Would he raise PF with hands hat are wrapped around the 56 but have a Q as a dangler?

U have less than 18% equity vs QQxx and 65-80% equity vs his big draws. I think his range weights a lot more towards QQxx. It's a spot that I probably call in the heat of the moment but realize later it's pretty marginal.
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04-14-2012 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by iggymcfly
If villain's so passive that you're not sure if you have enough equity to call his shove on the turn, then flop's a really clear fold.
This!

Hate the flop call, now that your turned the best card in the deck for your hand probably not folding.
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04-14-2012 , 11:38 AM
change title to "flop underpair and the 5th nut fd 360bb deep"

its prob going to be ok to not realize whatever ur equity is here bro
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04-14-2012 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CZI
You're focusing on the wrong things mate. I bet there's tons of other spots where you're leaking money but you don't even realize it. Try to identify those instead of questioning what to do in a hand that plays itself.
see you posted stuff like this before, but you can post it in most threads and you'll be right

i like this advice
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04-15-2012 , 12:59 PM
I think the flop is a good spot to float, esp with my hand.

I understand the hand plays itself but there was just something about it. When I raised, villain immediately went to his stack of blacks to drop it in the pot and then pulled it back and then started to "tank" for a minute before dropping them in the pot.

When he did that, I immediately thought top set. I've played with villain daily for about six years... and we routinely take each others action so saying that we know each others mannerisms is an understatement. It's basically like Dwan and Galfond. Villain is the same person I called here:

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...c=&Search=true (called with QT on a KJ852 board and won).

At the time I was thinking he has QQxx more than 80% of the time here, given that I do think that he has other hands about ~15-20% of the time so given that I was wondering if it was a profitable call.

If he doesn't instantly go for his stack of blacks, then I feel much better about it.

PLO is the type of game that requires thought for each decision unless you have top set or nut straight w/ redraws. There's no way he goes to instantly ship with a draw or any made hand I beat. He's going to have to spend some time contemplating how much fold equity he has with AQJ9 etc. and whether or not a call is more profitable, before just throwing his chips in the pot

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04-15-2012 , 01:54 PM
fold flop. if not, u asked for it. now go allin. it would be such a spew to raise for info/fold. if u fear qq flat turn and re evaluate river
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