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2/4 prolly bad squeeze pre, flopped crappy fd 2/4 prolly bad squeeze pre, flopped crappy fd

08-10-2009 , 03:32 PM
Party Poker $400.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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Hero (BB): $424.25
UTG: $606.05
CO: $208.65
BTN: $1432.00
SB: $369.50

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with 7 6 6 8
1 fold, CO raises to $17.75, BTN calls $17.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $76.75, CO calls $59, BTN calls $59

Flop: ($232.25) K A 4 (3 players)





Not thrilled about my preflop squeeze anymore, given guy is bad and relatively short, he is 34/11 over 1k, BU is a IMO bad reg, 31/18 haaates to fold pre and can get aggressive postflop. On teh flop, should I just be check folding, or does the texture give me the required folding equity to bet combined with my fd?
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08-10-2009 , 03:46 PM
i feel like you have to fire this flop.

hate the 3 bet.
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08-10-2009 , 04:06 PM
jeah I think it matters a lo that there are two guys who you 3bet pre. Also HU it would be just an easy bet. However 3 way I might even think that c/f ist best here right? I mean if they get it in you are usually far far behind as your FD is most of the time.
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08-10-2009 , 04:20 PM
I don't like the 3 bet pre that much and I think you should just give up into two people here with the described reads
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08-10-2009 , 07:11 PM
def just call pre
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08-10-2009 , 09:32 PM
can't imagine not betting this flop
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08-10-2009 , 09:43 PM
Don't like the 3bet pre based on your description of the opponents as quite sticky, but since were here I'm betting
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08-10-2009 , 10:33 PM
The double call and your stack size makes it an awkward flop bet for you. You have $350 and the pot's about $230. Is there any flop bet you could reasonably make without committing yourself here? Personally I'd give up here rather than commit myself to possibly drawing extremely thin, but I'm a nit...
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08-11-2009 , 01:34 AM
I'll add my $0.02 along with the rest and say don't 3bet pre. Your equity is just never good if you get 4bet here with a double suited low pair hand. I don't think it's bad, it's actually probably good, if you 3bet this hand when one of your 6's is a 5 or a 9. That way if you get 4bet OOP you can profitably call a 4bet. With the pair in your hand, from prior calculations I've seen on other threads, it's really close whether or not calling a 4bet with this hand is +EV.

Now that you're here, I would bet small, but that's because I usually cbet smallish in 3bet pots, like 2/3 pot. I imagine at 2/4 most people are paying attention to your cbet sizing and will give you credit here if you have been balancing it well. If you have been balancing it well I like a bet/fold. If not, check/fold, because if you aren't balanced here, they'll probably look you up as light as A4xx or ABBB.
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08-11-2009 , 11:47 AM
I dont like the 3-bet. flop is close but I think the best action to take is betting like 140 and fold if BTN shoves.
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08-11-2009 , 05:51 PM
I dont think I can fold if I bet 140
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08-11-2009 , 07:12 PM
Like everyone else says, just call pre.

On the flop, you have to do something here. Even something like bet 80/fold and giving up if called gets enough flop folds that it is better than check/fold, I'd think. I'm not sure what maximizes your fold equity- you could pot/call, or bet 3/4 and call, or even do something fancy like bet 70 and jam any non-Q/J/T/spade turn if button calls.

I agree that you have to call if you put in a sizable bet and are raised.
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08-12-2009 , 12:01 AM
Honestly id check the flop. You can always rep AAxx on the turn if it checks through and this way you dont comit yourself to the pot with any bet. Alternative you could bet like half pot and fold to a raise.

Also the squeeze is terribad.
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08-12-2009 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by spino1i
Honestly id check the flop. You can always rep AAxx on the turn if it checks through and this way you dont comit yourself to the pot with any bet. Alternative you could bet like half pot and fold to a raise.

Also the squeeze is terribad.
i dont think we can rep aa if we check this. This deep i cant imagine ever not betting with top set here, we can get almost everything in with a near pot bet
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08-12-2009 , 01:33 PM
bet or check depends on their calling ranges and what they perceive to be your 3bet range from the BB

but yeah, i dont like the 3bet either

(and as a default i think you should bet call against the shorty and bet fold against the big guy. what sucks is if the full stack just peels, there are like 2 ok turns for you...which is why your 3bet is bad)
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08-12-2009 , 08:52 PM
What bet size/call shorty /fold big? Ill bet getting huge price because the sqz was so big
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08-13-2009 , 04:59 AM
Ill Kamikaze getting there...
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08-16-2009 , 06:17 AM
bet/pray(call)

preflop 3 bet is a bit iffy.
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08-16-2009 , 10:05 AM
prolly bet/call it off, but since you say they dont like to fold, checking and hoping the shorty ships and BTN folds is an alternative. but we really shouldnt be in this situation.
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08-18-2009 , 12:58 AM
it's either a bet/call or a check/fold and I think both are fine depending on reads.
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08-18-2009 , 07:30 AM
dont 3bet pre

as played, just pot the flop and call it off.

You rep AA or KK pretty well here, and you look committed (cos you are), so you''re never getting bluff raised all in. Because you have a little bit over a PSB left on this flop, its hard for a bare flush draw to call for value, meaning they need a very specific hand combo to call.

I think you get a lot of folds. Since you arent getting called by a bare flush draw, their range of calling/raising hands is pretty small. They would need some kind of combo draw to call. They may also fold some combo draws (including slightly higher flushdraws) because you potted the flop.
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08-18-2009 , 07:32 AM
You need to bet full pot to get max credibility for AA or KK. With our stack size, who would ever bet less than full pot on this flop with AA or KK?

checking the turn does not rep AA or KK at all and you get looked up a ton by hands that crush you.
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