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Old 05-04-2021, 12:31 AM   #1
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2-4 plo, ok spot to gamble preflop?

3 handed, both vilains are pretty aggro

SB has 60BBs
BB has 55 bbs

I cover both and on the btn open QJ98 to 3.5bbs

SB 3! to 11.5bbs
BB 4! to 38 bbs

hero?
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Old 05-04-2021, 10:43 AM   #2
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Re: 2-4 plo, ok spot to gamble preflop?

im no expert but this seems like an obv fold your spr is going to be less than one so your draws lose value and your most likely up against decent aa kk maybe some clubs or spades also since you unblock aa kk and those suits
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Old 05-04-2021, 12:07 PM   #3
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Re: 2-4 plo, ok spot to gamble preflop?

The issue here is how often you feel the SB is going to 5-bet/squeeze isolate against your flat. While lots of PLO Players are aggro, what are they really showing up with when they 4 or 5-bet?

While these type of holdings do look pretty, they typically are dominated by at least one hand .. and you presumably need to find a T on the Flop!

What range are they going to put you on when/if you flat here? Or is it more believable for you (your range) to squeeze yourself to 110BB and try to isolate what presumably is AA/KK-ish from a short-stack 4-bet?

It's easy to say this is a fold .. and it probably should be in most cases. But only you know their ranges. If they both have AA/KK type of hands you are probably around 30% or below here, but very well could have the most 'live' cards available for improvement. The issue, as always, is that they don't need to improve. GL
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Old 05-04-2021, 02:33 PM   #4
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Re: 2-4 plo, ok spot to gamble preflop?

Of course it is an ok spot to "gamble", but not profitable long term. Having a T would be great.
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Old 05-04-2021, 05:36 PM   #5
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Re: 2-4 plo, ok spot to gamble preflop?

Just a math equation - put it in the sim.
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Old 05-04-2021, 07:24 PM   #6
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Re: 2-4 plo, ok spot to gamble preflop?

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The issue here is how often you feel the SB is going to 5-bet/squeeze isolate against your flat. While lots of PLO Players are aggro, what are they really showing up with when they 4 or 5-bet?

While these type of holdings do look pretty, they typically are dominated by at least one hand .. and you presumably need to find a T on the Flop!

What range are they going to put you on when/if you flat here? Or is it more believable for you (your range) to squeeze yourself to 110BB and try to isolate what presumably is AA/KK-ish from a short-stack 4-bet?

It's easy to say this is a fold .. and it probably should be in most cases. But only you know their ranges. If they both have AA/KK type of hands you are probably around 30% or below here, but very well could have the most 'live' cards available for improvement. The issue, as always, is that they don't need to improve. GL
Sb only has 60bbs, not really scared of him 5bet squeezing. Do you think i should 5bet or fold only to maybe fold out sbís hand even though im not sure if heís folding anything after putting in 20% of his stack.
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Old 05-05-2021, 08:05 AM   #7
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Re: 2-4 plo, ok spot to gamble preflop?

Sorry .. Misread the SB stack for 600 BB! Changes things drastically ..

With this type of hand I think you want as many chips in the pot as possible, but it's really not all that bad to be 'frugal' either.

So I would just flat and see what happens. You may get a flat out of SB when they would've folded to a shove, that's 'extra' chips. You may also choose to fold out OTF if you miss, that's saving chips in your stack. We are never folding to a shove anyways, so let's give them a discount, but never turn down full price.

It really should come down to ranges, but in a 3-handed aggro game it really doesn't matter too much.

One could argue that you are allowing either Player to fold the Flop as well, thus 'not' getting those chips. SB may have not called a shove in the first place and there really shouldn't be a Flop that BB folds out to .. but you never know.

I like your hand at 60BB, but I really like your hand at 38BB with the option to add-on once the Flop comes out. It would be really hard to find a PF spot where you are just dead here (less than 18%) and you are probably in the 35% plus range most of the time against two other hands. Are we supposed to just keep piling in when pot odds and equity are 'right'? Actually yes, that's the 'online' way of poker thinking. But I don't think we really want to get used to putting chips in when we have 'well' under 50% chance of winning. We're really never a favorite here, eh? GL
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Old 05-05-2021, 07:13 PM   #8
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Re: 2-4 plo, ok spot to gamble preflop?

I think the EV difference between folding, flatting or jamming here is marginal. Go with your heart
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Old 05-06-2021, 07:46 PM   #9
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Re: 2-4 plo, ok spot to gamble preflop?

Do you feel lucky?
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Old 05-09-2021, 06:13 PM   #10
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Re: 2-4 plo, ok spot to gamble preflop?

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3 handed, both vilains are pretty aggro

SB has 60BBs
BB has 55 bbs

I cover both and on the btn open QJ98 to 3.5bbs

SB 3! to 11.5bbs
BB 4! to 38 bbs

hero?

Maybe I'm a donk but I like this hand 3 ways all in against aggro players. Against two players with top 5% of hands, I'm 32.2%, plenty enough with the dead money in.

It's unfortunate that SB might fold if we get involved, so I may be inclined to flat and hope he comes along and jams over top (and if so, call off on any reasonable flop). But even if one player folds, we have 40% equity with a lot of money in there.

This hand will play better the smaller the ranges are for opponents.


Call, raise, fold, all reasonable options, and 60BB, I am inclined to gamble.
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Old 05-11-2021, 10:40 AM   #11
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Re: 2-4 plo, ok spot to gamble preflop?

Not sure I’ve ever folded this hand pre
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Old 05-11-2021, 01:52 PM   #12
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Re: 2-4 plo, ok spot to gamble preflop?

I flatted the 4bet, felt lucky
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