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2/4 PLO nuts plus redraws, 225BB deep 2/4 PLO nuts plus redraws, 225BB deep

05-29-2019 , 08:11 AM
Playing on a poker app, hero currently has about 900 and has been playing rather tight and solid. Villain (covers) is known to be loose pre and can take similar lines with bluffs or value, but is not a maniac.

Villain limps utg+1, button calls, small blind folds, hero with 92/4 PLO nuts plus redraws, 225BB deep72/4 PLO nuts plus redraws, 225BB deep42/4 PLO nuts plus redraws, 225BB deep32/4 PLO nuts plus redraws, 225BB deep checks.

Flop: 32/4 PLO nuts plus redraws, 225BB deep52/4 PLO nuts plus redraws, 225BB deep62/4 PLO nuts plus redraws, 225BB deep
Hero pots 14, villain calls, button folds.

Turn: J2/4 PLO nuts plus redraws, 225BB deep
Hero pots 42, villain pots 168, hero??

Villain almost certainly has the nuts with us, and possibly a higher flush draw or some other type of redraw. We have almost 200BB behind with the current nuts and flush and gutshot redraw, what do we do?

Call and evaluate rivers? Possibly bluffing board pairs? Maybe check fold flush cards?

Raise small and get villain to come in with naked nuts or weaker redraws?

Raise pot and shovel money in because we have the nuts and ton of redraws?

Any other choices?

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05-29-2019 , 08:47 AM
Relatively interesting spot. I'd probably lean towards getting it in on the turn. This feels closer to a naked nut straight than a nut straight with strong redraws. I feel like if he has 47 and a strong club draw, he's trying to get in more money on the flop especially in position. It feels like he was waiting for a safe turn and got it.
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05-29-2019 , 09:14 AM
I'd think at least some of your redraw outs are good (clubs or 8s). I'd feel comfortable getting all the monies in on this turn. The only question is, is your opponent bluffing or does he have value. If he has value, re-pot and get in on free roll. If you think he is turning a hand into a bluff, call and evaluate river.

I'm probably re raising the turn to pot or a number really close to it.
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05-29-2019 , 12:40 PM
is this real life. gii
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05-29-2019 , 12:47 PM
Pot/repot/rerepot is only sensible play here.
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05-29-2019 , 03:32 PM
easy fold. villain has JJc7c4 all day
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05-29-2019 , 06:49 PM
GII
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05-30-2019 , 04:42 AM
This is a very straightforward raise and to justify another action you would need a stronger read on villains current holding and river tendencies.
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05-30-2019 , 07:48 AM
Thanks for the replies all!

Is there any stack depth where you'd play this more cautiously? It's obviously an easy gii at 100BB and maybe even 200BB, but at some point, we need to start worrying about if villain has the same hand as us, but with stronger redraws, such as one poster facetiously mentioned above with JJ74cc.

In the actual hand, I repotted the turn, villain then went all in, I called and villain had A2/4 PLO nuts plus redraws, 225BB deep72/4 PLO nuts plus redraws, 225BB deep62/4 PLO nuts plus redraws, 225BB deep42/4 PLO nuts plus redraws, 225BB deep and scooped when the river came K2/4 PLO nuts plus redraws, 225BB deep.

I was very excited and fist pumping when I did the 3bet on the turn, and just as he went all in, I started thinking, what if he has a higher flush draw here too? I felt like such a noob when the results came out.

Anyways, glad to see that most people would have played the same as me, but it did make me think a bit more about deep stack play.

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05-30-2019 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by overun
I felt like such a noob when the results came out.
Results-oriented thinking is one of the greatest flaws in developing a poker strategy.

Results-oriented thinking is one of the greatest strengths in developing a [non-poker-related] strategy.
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05-30-2019 , 01:29 PM
Even given the results villain only had a small freeroll, since you also had the straight redraw. So 3 out freeroll? Not a big deal
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05-30-2019 , 01:59 PM
Even against his exact hand which is pretty much a worst case scenario you have 45% equity. Hand is fine.
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05-30-2019 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
Even against his exact hand which is pretty much a worst case scenario you have 45% equity. Hand is fine.
Probably slightly misleading stat since pretty much all of that equity is from the chop though.

Edit: I should clarify this doesn't change your point in any way or the decision to get it in.
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05-30-2019 , 06:38 PM
I've debated with my friends the "don't go broke in a limped pot" theory from the old NLH days. Some say at live PLO there are so many limped pots that it doesn't apply. Others have countered then fine you can go broke but you better have the nut flush draw or top set as escape valves. I don't know. You drove the action with a 9743 in your hand, over the long run that isn't where the money is.

And yeah at some point deep stack matters. If his raise had been on flop would it have been easier to get away from hand and fold SPR wise? Does that mean don't bet the flop even though you have nuts with re-draw (flush re-draw obviously could be dead)? Maybe SPR on flop of over 10 then don't bet? Win/split a small pot instead of get free rolled for a large pot? I see a lot of hands where there is $25 or less in the pot on the flop, but by the river it is over $1,000 in the pot and someone was getting freerolled the whole way.

Last edited by wolfbook; 05-30-2019 at 07:02 PM.
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