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07-29-2009 , 01:28 AM

blumpkin

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UTG is unknown probably fishy, UTG+1 is tough, on the laggy side, BB is random probably loose-passive. What the...

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PL Omaha $4(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,214)
BB ($400)
UTG ($515)
UTG+1 ($669)
CO ($389)
Hero ($459)

Dealt to Hero T

UTG raises to $14, UTG+1 calls $14, fold, Hero calls $14, fold, BB calls $10

FLOP ($58) 3

BB checks, UTG bets $32, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $32, BB calls $32

TURN ($154) 3

BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $124, BB folds, UTG calls $124

RIVER ($402) 3

T 7 6

K

UTG bets $345 (AI), Hero

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07-29-2009 , 02:15 AM

Doorbread

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I call just because he's fishy.

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07-29-2009 , 03:06 AM

JROSEALM

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meh i flip a coin

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07-29-2009 , 03:43 AM

DJFL

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I call. If he has a hand that beats you, he played it poorly and -EV imho.

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07-29-2009 , 04:37 AM

IcarusJam

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i fold

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07-29-2009 , 04:56 AM

OntheGoGo

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easiest fold eva

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07-29-2009 , 10:48 AM

coldi

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I'm folding

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07-29-2009 , 11:03 AM

Triantafylidis

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if im reading this correctly its a fold 99% of the time.

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07-29-2009 , 11:57 AM

Edog787

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I fold, but wanna click call just to see what he has a whole lot. I guess he coulda missed a flush, but he coulda spiked ks up on the end too idk, i fold

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07-29-2009 , 12:38 PM

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blumpkin

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Originally Posted by Edog787

I fold, but wanna click call just to see what he has a whole lot. I guess he coulda missed a flush, but he coulda spiked ks up on the end too idk, i fold

He just decides to shove all of a sudden with Ks up??

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07-29-2009 , 02:59 PM

#11

SToll

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u have 2 pair lol, fold

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07-29-2009 , 03:18 PM

#12

twonine29

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I'd call. You're getting like 2.4-1 on your call(if my math is right, you have like $290 left when he shoves river). I doubt he's shoving Kings Up...so it's basically he either
1.) c/c the nut straight on the turn in order to shove a blank river
2.) or he decided to peel with KKxxdd and hit top set and shoved.
or 3.) He missed his str8/flush draws and got crazy on the river.

I guess it's more of a feel thing while you're at the table. Did he feel strong when he check/called the turn? Did he feel desperate when he shoved the virtual blank river? What did your instincts tell you to do?

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07-29-2009 , 04:37 PM

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blumpkin

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Originally Posted by twonine29

I'd call. You're getting like 2.4-1 on your call(if my math is right, you have like $290 left when he shoves river).

Yes 2.4:1, so I need to be good about 30% to break even.

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07-29-2009 , 06:53 PM

#14

DJ Sensei

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meh I'd fold. He's gonna show you some damn fool K3 or something pretty often.

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07-29-2009 , 09:12 PM

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Praetor

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I dont think this is a better hand other than a straight ever

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07-29-2009 , 09:28 PM

#16

Recon20k

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weird. I've often been able to call desperation bets like this against randomers that make no sense whatsoever whilst holding the nuts. 45? Curiosity could get the best of me here. It would help if you knew a little about his game. Against an unknown its close.

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07-29-2009 , 11:08 PM

#17

Scary_Tiger

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Meh, I fold.

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07-29-2009 , 11:52 PM

#18

chesterboy

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I make these calls sometimes, but in general I think this is a fold. This is a spot where I go with my gut on the player.

I wouldn't be suprised to see maybe KK or kings up that had a flush draw or something.

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07-30-2009 , 03:23 AM

#19

benwood

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I call. I just want to see it.

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07-30-2009 , 08:05 AM

#20

iggymcfly

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I think the "random donk" factor is strong enough to call this against an unknown, but it's really, really close. Doubt it makes much of a difference either way. I'd expect his range to look something like:

KK + diamonds: 35%
stupid bluff with missed diamonds: 30%
45: 25%
76: 9%
kings up: 1%

This is also a spot where stats over a very small sample or any kind of timing tell could get me to change my decision.

Last edited by iggymcfly; 07-30-2009 at 08:12 AM.

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07-30-2009 , 02:06 PM

#21

blumpkin

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Thanks for the responses everyone. I called and he had AdKdKxX. I still think the decision is pretty close.

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08-01-2009 , 04:07 PM

#22

Your Mom

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I call and then whine about I never hold.

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08-01-2009 , 04:19 PM

#23

lookingtheotherway

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raise flop?

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08-01-2009 , 06:40 PM

#24

thegr8str8

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fold....even a fish ends up showing Ks up or better more than 50% of the time. It wouldn't be the least bit surprising to see him show down something close to the nuts. Something tells me middle two pair isn't gonna be good 30% of the time, even though it might be good here. Unless you've seen him doing something ridiculous like this in the past on a bluff, it should be an easy fold. But I might just be stupid.

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08-02-2009 , 03:25 PM

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Praetor

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Originally Posted by Praetor

I dont think this is a better hand other than a straight ever

shows what I know, quite surprising

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