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2/4 AAxx in 3bet and 4bet situation 2/4 AAxx in 3bet and 4bet situation

04-14-2010 , 12:36 AM
Hand 1: villain is a call box at 41/20/1.5. Pot is 424 and he's got 392 behind. I'm not much of a math person but seems like I should be jamming here although I'm might be dead when called. Whats the better line, c/f or jam?

Poker Stars $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $0.80 Ante - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (SB): $2388.40
BB: $400.00
UTG: $800.80
MP: $522.20
CO: $1000.00
BTN: $594.10

Pre Flop: ($10.80) Hero is SB with 7 A 9 A
2 folds, CO raises to $16, BTN raises to $58.80, Hero raises to $201.20, 2 folds, BTN calls $142.40

Flop: ($427.20) 9 8 Q (2 players)
Hero?? (villain has just under pot size left)






Hand 2: This hand is against a tough regular who plays well in position and running at 33/24/3. We are 100bb behind and I am not quiet sure what the best course of action is. I often find myself second guessing myself whether to b/c or otherwise. I feel so highly exploitable if I c/f here though.

Poker Stars $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $0.80 Ante - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (SB): $400.00
BB: $1865.60
UTG: $493.50
CO: $1201.40
BTN: $1588.10

Pre Flop: ($10.00) Hero is SB with K A 5 A
2 folds, BTN raises to $18, Hero raises to $62, 1 fold, BTN calls $44

Flop: ($132.00) 6 J 7 (2 players)
Hero???


Thanks in advance

Last edited by VielGeld; 04-14-2010 at 12:51 AM.
2/4 AAxx in 3bet and 4bet situation Quote
04-14-2010 , 06:47 AM
Hand 1 is a shove IMO. You are potcommitted and even though the flop sucks its nice
to have the Ac as a blocker and you have some FE + outs vs some of his callingrange.

TBH I shove AA on 99% of all flops if I have less than a PSB left.

Hand 2

I try to balance here and might bet/fold,bet/call, check/fold or check/raise.

If you give up every time its way to weak, and you cant stack off always.

In my opinion check/folding every time is worse than bet/calling every time though.
2/4 AAxx in 3bet and 4bet situation Quote
04-14-2010 , 12:19 PM
If you were suited to clubs in hand 2 I think it's an excellent spot to C/R. It might even still be, I'm not really sure.
2/4 AAxx in 3bet and 4bet situation Quote
04-14-2010 , 12:32 PM
Hand 1 flop is pretty bad b/c it is going to hit the majority of his range. At first glance I would lean towards shoving although I can't really see you being in great shape against any reasonable hand. I would like to hear others opinions on the benefits of shoving compared to c/f this flop.

Hand 2 I am not c/f this hand like ever. I think either c/r or b/f are good options depending on reads on villain. In this situation I think I go ahead and go for the c/r because your likely flipping verse his range and if he checks it back you can lead the turn knowing that ur likely crushing his range and therefore b/c anything.
2/4 AAxx in 3bet and 4bet situation Quote
04-14-2010 , 12:36 PM
The reason to C/R in hand 2 is to balance and to protect your checks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Asbrock
Hand 2 I am not c/f this hand like ever. I think either c/r or b/f are good options depending on reads on villain. In this situation I think I go ahead and go for the c/r because your likely flipping verse his range and if he checks it back you can lead the turn knowing that ur likely crushing his range and therefore b/c anything.
The bolded part is pretty much nonsense.
2/4 AAxx in 3bet and 4bet situation Quote
04-14-2010 , 12:40 PM
Do you really think villain is going to check pair + sd or fd type hand on this flop? That is why I said if we go for the cr and he checks it back then I am going to b/c most turns.
2/4 AAxx in 3bet and 4bet situation Quote
04-14-2010 , 12:46 PM
Of course I don't expect him to check back those hands, but the relative strength of our hand decreases on pretty much every turn, that's why having a "bet/call most turns" plan makes no sense at all. If flop checks through and we bet turn, whatever it may be, it makes very little sense to bet/call cause he's never bluffshoving.
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04-14-2010 , 01:17 PM
Ok ya your right. I there are actually only a few cards to come up that we can b/c the turn with. So lets say the turn comes up a 3,4,5,8,9,10 are we just going to c/f that just feels so weak? I assume we are going to c/c on a j,6,7. And b/c on the rest.
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04-14-2010 , 04:09 PM
I shove hand 1. Bet call is good on hand 2. I think we have a thin equity edge vs his range (going to the flop). Once we bet we easily have the say 30% equity needed if we bet call $100. However, while betting $100 is fine, I think given your overall range and way you play other sizes may be better.
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