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2/4 5cards 4bet AAds, top 2 facing raise 2/4 5cards 4bet AAds, top 2 facing raise

06-25-2020 , 04:24 PM
UTG : $ 240
MP (Hero): $ 2000
CO : $ 200
BU : $ 200
SB : $ 2100
BB: $ 300

Pre Flop: (pot: $6.00) Hero has A A J T 8
UTG calls $4, Hero raises to 18$, CO and BU folds, SB raises to $62, BB UTG folds, Hero raises to $194, SB calls

Flop: ($396, 2 players) J T 7
Sb checks, Hero bets $296, SB raises to $1284, Hero ?

Villain is rec player 42/28 with 6% 3bet, time to time will attack weakness especially IP

Me betting here is because i dont want to give AKQ ish hands a free card.

However, facing a raise, i dont think he's air balling here, either
made straight(6% 3bet range should include some mid rundowns),
sets(unlikely but possible)
AKQ9

So i am getting about 35% to get it all in, I guess with 2 backdoors and runner runner broadway, it's time to go for a ride?
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06-25-2020 , 05:10 PM
I don’t play a ton of plo5 but I imagine this is a check back at spr4.5? Spr<3 just b/c

Interested to see replies
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06-25-2020 , 06:25 PM
I don't think betting accomplishes much, and checking this will make you way harder to play against (and betting doesn't push an equity edge really so it's not printing money that way). I guess it protects us from being bluffed on brick runouts?

You really aren't giving a free card to draws by checking, because the draws are (close to?) flipping against your hand anyhow

Honestly think this board may be a check whole range spot. Or maybe that isn't a thing this deep.

Sorry for the "advice", just some random thoughts..
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06-25-2020 , 08:51 PM
Fold. Yes you have close to 35% best case scenario, but it looks like you need 40% to stack off here anyway.

Flop bet is too large, if you choose to bet.

Last edited by monikrazy; 06-25-2020 at 09:00 PM.
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06-25-2020 , 09:29 PM
Check back flop, i’d fold, too deep to gii. Is 2k the standard buyin at ur 2-4 game? Or u built it up
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06-26-2020 , 12:39 AM
Hi all,

would like to do some comparative analysis.

As compared to this hand

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1.../#post56263348

I believe it is mainly because i have top set thus going broke is more +ev or is it this hand we are IP thus having more tools in hand

@joe you can buy in to 2k, i bought it, that player doubled twice.
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06-26-2020 , 02:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loctus
I don't think betting accomplishes much, and checking this will make you way harder to play against (and betting doesn't push an equity edge really so it's not printing money that way). I guess it protects us from being bluffed on brick runouts?

You really aren't giving a free card to draws by checking, because the draws are (close to?) flipping against your hand anyhow

Honestly think this board may be a check whole range spot. Or maybe that isn't a thing this deep.

Sorry for the "advice", just some random thoughts..
actually your not really giving a free card concept is quite enlightening

Quote:
Originally Posted by monikrazy
Fold. Yes you have close to 35% best case scenario, but it looks like you need 40% to stack off here anyway.

Flop bet is too large, if you choose to bet.
how much would be more ideal? I believe the sizing issue is because of the stack size?
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06-26-2020 , 09:17 AM
Our hand is basically the bottom of our value-betting c-bet range in this board. Certainly a candidate to check behind and I'd do so like 90% of the time. Free card concept as described above is relevant, the value we miss is in the free cards we give to hands that have equity but fold or call, but there isn't too much in that range, and he'll have hands like kqj* etc in his range for c/ring too. Check back and try to hit a low heart or club. Checking back also strengthens both your c-bet and check back range.

In terms of sizing, this is a little too big for this board texture, but not far too big. I would be betting ~$220 here with my continuing range. You're playing for stacks with any bet size anyway, save money when he decides to rip it, and encourage him to come along with some weaker hands.
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