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Old 05-11-2020, 11:20 AM   #1
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2/4 5cards 3bet facing bet on 332

UTG : $ 580
CO : $ 400
BU : $ 600
SB (Hero) : $ 660
BB: $ 200

Pre Flop: (pot: $6.00) Hero has A K Q J T
UTG folds, CO calls $4, BU raises to $18, Hero raises to $62, BB folds, CO and BU calls

Flop: ($190, 3 players) 3 3 2
Hero and CO checks, BU bets 63$, Hero ?

Villain is a 60/30 player, with reads such as would check raise flop with nothing on XXY flops and will attack weakness especially IP.

How do I deal with this kind of players? I tried to 3bet him lighter but it only amplifies his strength when i miss the flop.

He actually show his hand after the hand is over highlight below to see
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Old 05-11-2020, 07:30 PM   #2
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Re: 2/4 5cards 3bet facing bet on 332

Once you check you are kind of in a tricky spot; pre-flop you are repping AA or KK so that's a pretty good flop for your hand.

They need a 3 or nut diamonds to call (maybe KK with weak diamonds could float if they were really loose), so why not lead weak? It's just as likely you have a 3 with AAxxx as they do calling a 3-bet (in fact it's more likely you have it, they really should have wraps or high-pairs that don't include 3's often).

If you are worried about aggressive players exploiting you on missed flops then don't 3 bet OOP; your position is more important in Omaha then anything so I'd just limit my exposure against a player like that. I'd keep 3-betting and just chalk it up to variance, but you need to be willing to fire additional bullets on marginal flops that favor your perceived range.
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Old 05-12-2020, 05:04 AM   #3
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Re: 2/4 5cards 3bet facing bet on 332

Strap your seatbelt in and call. Your hand is close in value to bare AAxx and with that hand you're showing a good profit calling a guy like this down. You should also often play 3x against someone like this.

I disagree with SG - just because some players are capable of giving you trouble when OOP doesn't mean you should miss out on all that value, just get better at playing OOP. In this case, as described, leading weak would be bad vs this particular type of player, as he'll raise or float.

It's high variance - just because someone is 60/30 doesn't mean they aren't aware of the concept of balance and may play 3x or a boat this way - but given the price you're getting and the frequency with which he bluffs and the number of cards that improve you on the turn, you've got to call, and when you're wrong and drawing dead, shrug your shoulders and say 'well-played'.
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Old 05-12-2020, 10:20 AM   #4
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Re: 2/4 5cards 3bet facing bet on 332

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Strap your seatbelt in and call. Your hand is close in value to bare AAxx and with that hand you're showing a good profit calling a guy like this down. You should also often play 3x against someone like this.

I disagree with SG - just because some players are capable of giving you trouble when OOP doesn't mean you should miss out on all that value, just get better at playing OOP. In this case, as described, leading weak would be bad vs this particular type of player, as he'll raise or float.

It's high variance - just because someone is 60/30 doesn't mean they aren't aware of the concept of balance and may play 3x or a boat this way - but given the price you're getting and the frequency with which he bluffs and the number of cards that improve you on the turn, you've got to call, and when you're wrong and drawing dead, shrug your shoulders and say 'well-played'.
Sir, when you mention 3x, you mean i should 3x my 3bet sizing or 3x just means 3bet?
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Old 05-12-2020, 10:31 AM   #5
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Re: 2/4 5cards 3bet facing bet on 332

When you have a 3 in your hand, more accurate would be '3xxx'. Was confused by my own wording for a second there
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Old 05-12-2020, 10:34 AM   #6
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When you have a 3 in your hand, more accurate would be '3xxx'. Was confused by my own wording for a second there
oh you mean to widen my 3bet range abit such as 76543ds or maybe AKQJ3ds?
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Old 05-12-2020, 10:37 AM   #7
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Given your straight flush thread, I don't think you need to widen your 3b range, but your 3b range will naturally have some 3x in it, so when you do make unlikely trips, trap with it (sometimes).
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Old 05-13-2020, 10:57 AM   #8
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I think you have a great hand to call with vs an over aggro player that thinks you have AA a lot here. Maybe he'll barrel away on flush turn/rivers if hes that that aggro. The only way to counter an over aggro player is to call them lighter specifically if they go crazy on boards like this
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Old 05-14-2020, 09:56 PM   #9
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Re: 2/4 5cards 3bet facing bet on 332

Maybe im missing something but you have no pair and the second nut flush draw in a game where each player gets a lot of cards.
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Old 05-15-2020, 05:07 PM   #10
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Re: 2/4 5cards 3bet facing bet on 332

Either lead or c/fold

Lol at c/calling
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Old 05-18-2020, 05:50 PM   #11
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Lol @ not considering c/eval because calling down versus aggression is something you haven't tried to get good at

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Maybe im missing something but you have no pair and the second nut flush draw in a game where each player gets a lot of cards.
You're missing the fact that we're getting almost 4-1 and villain bets the flop often with nothing.
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Old 05-18-2020, 06:00 PM   #12
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Lol @ not considering c/eval because calling down versus aggression is something you haven't tried to get good at
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Lol @ thinking this is a good spot to c/eval and Lol @ assuming that i dont use the c/call line vs an aggro player. Anyways u got 14k posts so must know better than me.
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Old 05-20-2020, 04:53 AM   #13
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Re: 2/4 5cards 3bet facing bet on 332

Well I'd suggest my 14 years as a pro PLO player would be the qualification but we can go with the posts too.

Why do you have a problem with c/eval?

I don't like betting very much because it's not a board that hits us very often, when we get called we're either in bad shape or he's planning to float us.
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Old 05-20-2020, 09:59 AM   #14
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Re: 2/4 5cards 3bet facing bet on 332

Your right it is a board that doesn't hit us very much. I actually think check-folding is the best option. Yeah i know "omg so weak, super nit, you gonna get exploited blah blah" yes we have a nice hand preflop, but we are oop and we didn't hit that great vs an opponent with a wide range, just check/fold or check hope to cheap showdown and onto the next hand.

But by betting at least we take some initiative in the hand, yeah it sucks when we get called but we take it down more often than not on the flop.

By check calling, we are praying to hit turn because if turn bricks, he's barreling 100% of the time and we have to fold. Even if we do hit turn and he barrels, we have to pretty much close our eyes call and hope to god that he's pulling some insane bluff?

Anyways, as a 14 year veteran, plug it in your solver and tell me what it says.
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Old 05-22-2020, 04:15 AM   #15
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Re: 2/4 5cards 3bet facing bet on 332

My solver is my brain.

And I'm a lot more optimistic on villain shutting down once called. If he does fire wildly even when called, that's fine too, we get to make a lot more money when we hit.

And I see 4-1 as a relatively cheap opportunity at a showdown.
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