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2/4 3b pot, AA nfd on bad board 2/4 3b pot, AA nfd on bad board

08-02-2009 , 07:40 PM
Party Poker $400.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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BTN: $1303.10
SB: $464.80
Hero (BB): $400.00
UTG: $617.25
CO: $561.75

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with A 5 A 6
UTG calls $4, CO raises to $18, 2 folds, Hero raises to $60, 1 fold, CO calls $42

Flop: ($126.00) 9 9 J (2 players)
Hero bets $82.00, CO calls $82

Turn: ($290.00) Q (2 players)
Hero

Villai is 42/18 never folds pre to 3 over huge sample [mined]. I dont think he is very good
. We have less than pot left on the turn but he can never call with worse really and can easily have us drawing to 2 outs?
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08-02-2009 , 08:00 PM
I like checking for flop for pot control and to allow him to hit worse flushes. As played, it's probably a check/fold even if it hurts.
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08-02-2009 , 08:04 PM
check/what the flop?
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08-02-2009 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Praetor
check/what the flop?
Call.
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08-03-2009 , 12:46 AM
He doesn't necessarily have a 9.

When you check,you invite him to take the pot from you.

I would like to bet this turn,but it's dangerous.
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08-03-2009 , 12:55 AM
Stack sizes for you are bad right now. I would actually consider a c/r on the turn assuming he gives you any fold equity. If he bets around 100$ i probably shove - any more I would fold. Based on your read of the player it's possible he just has a flush draw, and MAYBE turned a str8. Obviously he could be bleeding you w/ something close to the nuts, but your hand still has some equity against any str8 or naked 9. Based on your read that this player is somewhat fishy, I'm willing to take a larger risk than I would otherwise. It's a tough spot, but against the same player - time after time - i feel like a c/r on the turn will be +ev....though I might just be ******ed.
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08-03-2009 , 03:31 AM
I belive that it is a c/f on the turn. If he calls you with a 9 you are behind if he calls you with a wrap he now hit. Just cant see him floating that often given the fact that you don thave that much money behind. Do you think he might float your flop bet with air? Do you know if he would raise trips right on the flop? I think this is important to know here.
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08-03-2009 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by thegr8str8
Stack sizes for you are bad right now. I would actually consider a c/r on the turn assuming he gives you any fold equity. If he bets around 100$ i probably shove - any more I would fold. Based on your read of the player it's possible he just has a flush draw, and MAYBE turned a str8. Obviously he could be bleeding you w/ something close to the nuts, but your hand still has some equity against any str8 or naked 9. Based on your read that this player is somewhat fishy, I'm willing to take a larger risk than I would otherwise. It's a tough spot, but against the same player - time after time - i feel like a c/r on the turn will be +ev....though I might just be ******ed.
Wait a minute, you think a loose fish is going to bet/fold trips on the turn with <1 PSB left? Really?
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08-04-2009 , 01:03 PM
c/f the turn and i'd probably c/c the flop for the reasons that mr.mcfly stated.
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08-04-2009 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by iggymcfly
I like checking for flop for pot control and to allow him to hit worse flushes. As played, it's probably a check/fold even if it hurts.
yup
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08-04-2009 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ShoveIt
c/f the turn and i'd probably c/c the flop for the reasons that mr.mcfly stated.
To let him hit worse flushes? Cant imagine that happens enough (him having a fd in the first place, fd hits) for it to be a reason to c/c. I bet and push over a raise, hitting trips is difficult and hes gonna call or raise with lots of draws were doing good against. And to potcontrol AA+ nfd in a 3bet pot on a paired flop 100BB deep sounds insane, how hard do you guys flop?
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08-04-2009 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by havealltheiralbums
To let him hit worse flushes? Cant imagine that happens enough (him having a fd in the first place, fd hits) for it to be a reason to c/c. I bet and push over a raise, hitting trips is difficult and hes gonna call or raise with lots of draws were doing good against. And to potcontrol AA+ nfd in a 3bet pot on a paired flop 100BB deep sounds insane, how hard do you guys flop?
why can't he have a FD? and flopping trips isn't that uncommon and mid-range cards are very common holdings.

b/3b this board can't be +EV in the long run, unless it's someone with a lot of history or is a complete ******.

wait, this is a level right?
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08-04-2009 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ShoveIt
why can't he have a FD? and flopping trips isn't that uncommon and mid-range cards are very common holdings.

b/3b this board can't be +EV in the long run, unless it's someone with a lot of history or is a complete ******.

wait, this is a level right?
He can have a fd, its just rare that he has it and that fd hits. Its not a level. He never folds to 3bet, his range is superwide and we have a strong hand. If hes not superpassiv he will raise alot of draws, its just 100BB and a 3bet pot. If we fold this hand we fold almost everything we bet.
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08-04-2009 , 04:38 PM
he can raise a lot of draws but it is super rare for him to have a FD? but he might have a str8draw super often or what?! where the hell is the difference? think about what you say...
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08-04-2009 , 04:58 PM
I Cbet the flop, but I will probaly give it up on the turn.
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08-04-2009 , 04:59 PM
Draws includes straightdraws, there plenty of those around. Also when he raises the flop with them he just has to have a draw, when he has the right fd and we c/c it also has to hit. but im not saynig c/c doesnt have advantages, its just that we can betcall very few hands if we dont do it with a hand like this.
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08-05-2009 , 01:50 PM
I prefer flatting preflop and checking the flop as played. turn I think you have to c/f.
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