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i would never ever fold in that situation. NEVER! And that hand with 99´s ridiculous fold, folding top full in omaha is like folding aces pre-flop on holdem.

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04-17-2012 , 06:32 AM

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JoKon

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snapping all day long

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04-17-2012 , 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by toohinc

i would never ever fold in that situation. NEVER! And that hand with 99´s ridiculous fold, folding top full in omaha is like folding aces pre-flop on holdem.

Nope. The only hand we beat is 2344. A

is not in this old guy's range after the turn action.
maybe A

if he were an aggressive thinking player. I had a no-bluff image. A river check raise means something in this game. He was an old passive nit, he had it.

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04-17-2012 , 04:25 PM

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i would say folding top full in omaha (after 3 streets of info gathering) is more like folding KK preflop in omaha. i've never done that.

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04-17-2012 , 04:39 PM

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Whippersnapper

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In live full ring PLO, these types of folds are actually quite commonplace. Most opponents just won't raise the river without the nuts.

Against thinking players, quite a bit harder.

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04-17-2012 , 05:58 PM

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Exactly. We're talking about opponents who are barely smart enough to understand the rules of the game. Don't level yourself.

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04-17-2012 , 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wheelflush

Exactly. We're talking about opponents who are barely smart enough to understand the rules of the game. Don't level yourself.

First of all it doesn't have much to do with how smart they are but w/e. If you say they barely know the rules it's obv a snapcall since they do it with worse for value (beeing happy to finally flop a monster with Q4, trap their opponent and jam it on the river...)

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04-17-2012 , 09:09 PM

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It's not obv and it's not a snap. Really? I said his fold was fine. Hero had no real reads. I'd love to know how smart the villain is. It absolutely matters. I'd also like to know how smart he thinks I am, but usually I do.

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04-18-2012 , 06:18 AM

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2hi4me2cu

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This thread is nuts, you cant hope to flop much better than this against a fish.

95% of Anyone other than OP starting this thread would get flamed into dust.

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04-18-2012 , 07:47 AM

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Soepgroente

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Should probably check river behind...

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Wtf, really?

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04-20-2012 , 01:24 AM

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This thread is a joke or a level

. Hero wont fold, Hero snaps all day long. If quads, ok. There might also be like 4588 type of hand etc.

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05-29-2012 , 01:37 PM

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i snap fold standard

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05-29-2012 , 08:56 PM

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Unless he's the type who pots every bet, I think you should definitely be folding.

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05-30-2012 , 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoopman20

On rare occasions when you are deep against a specific villain who you know extremely well there is a point where folding top full is good, but in that situation you know the villain better than any on else so you wouldn't really need forum advice.

In almost every other situation where people ask about folding top full facing a shove it is either a terrible fold, a marginal fold, or a marginal call. Only in the case where the fold would be horrendous (say you are thinking about folding top full 50bb deep or something completely insane) does it help to actually post and get advice so that you know how terrible a fold was/would have been. In all the other situations no one ITT will really know villains tendencies or frequencies accurately enough to know what the perfect play is either.

Because calling can (almost) never be terrible and folding is somewhere between kill-yourself-bad and marginally better than calling I never fold these spots (no one will ever convince me that I'm getting terribly exploited by being a monster calling station unless we are playing deuces wild).

edit: this is my cut and past post for all future "should I put him on quads and fold the 2nd nuts" threads :-)

this!

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i snap fold standard

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Originally Posted by ALL1N

Unless he's the type who pots every bet, I think you should definitely be folding.

Levels?!? The guys a fish! odds of 44xx ~= 48xx ~= 488x ~= 43xx > odds of 4Qxx imo

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05-30-2012 , 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Slifdog

odds of 44xx ~= 48xx ~= 488x ~= 43xx > odds of 4Qxx imo

I don't know what this sequence is meant to mean.

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05-30-2012 , 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wheelflush

yes, i'm speaking from experience.

RIVER ($255) 9

Hero checks, BTN bets $200, Hero raises to $675, BTN raises to $1175, Hero folds.

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05-31-2012 , 06:32 PM

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donkeykong2

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results?

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06-01-2012 , 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ALL1N

I don't know what this sequence is meant to mean.

it is not a formal way to communicate, i was just trying to say that this fish is nearly as likely to be holding 43xx, 48xx or 488x as 44xx and, simply because of card removal, less likely (but still possibly) 4Qxx.

One cannot profitably fold here.

Sorry for the nonsensical sequence.

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