Hero is BB with $10,000
Villain is straddle and covers
UTG+1 covers
BU <3K
7 handed

UTG+1 is a loose whale. Straddle is a pro, but pretty splashy in hands with the fun players. Everyone knows each other well and hero's image is LAG winner.

UTG+1 makes it $200 while texting (didn't look at cards but didn't say anything about it either so most people don't notice).

BU call, rest fold. Hero dealt JT97 and raises to $800. Straddle (villain) call, utg+1 call, BU fold.

Flop 3-handed ($2,600) A22

Hero bets $1,300. Villain calls, utg+1 fold.

Turn ($5,200) 7 Hero check. Villain check.

River ($5,200) K Hero check. Villain bets $2,000. Hero shoves $5,900 more.

Thoughts?

I don't play this high, so can't comment on whatever level you guys are thinking. At my 2/5 level, I give up on flop after being called, especially vs. a pro, but if I continued, I might have played it differently. Nobody at my level is checking turn and river w/ a value hand vs. this guy. You could just lose so much value, and a pro is rarely bet/calling river w/o a very strong hand.

I don't understand why you would ever show except for meta-game. I hope you got to use it.

If villain has ak, kk or a2 your line is pretty scary, though I'm not sure villain really should give you credit for a monster when with a line of cbet small, check, check - seems like it misses out on value a ton, especiallysince you barrel the flop

What's with the flop sizing?

Line does look pretty scary, but villain's bet range should be extremely tight too so it doesn't really matter. I'd just give up, unless you think he can play AK like this, or has enough A2.

I dislike the 3-bet pre from the BB. OK to flat if you want to play a hand with the whale, but OOP this is probably a fold. Bloating the pot to go 3-way with a one-gap, single suited rundown OOP seems like a mistake.

Flop bet is fine, once called by whale I would give up. Why are you trying to bluff a whale on a completely non-dynamic board?

The whale folds on the flop. The villain in the hand is a pro

Oops I misread. Then I like post-flop a bit better, but still we're taking a very weird line. Hard to see what value hands we take a bet flop, check turn, check/raise river line. Maybe AA but if he has one ace he's going to discount that pretty heavily.

As your up against a pro 1/2 pot bet on the flop is a bit high, as flops don't get much dryer than this and you should be the most likely person to have aaxx in this spot. 1/4, 1/3 pot should do the trick.
As played I would just give up after the turn and river. I don't dislike having this river bluff in your range, but try doing it with at least an ace in your hand or even better: a7xx.

Do you think he would be betting an ace on the river?
Obviously you bumped up against the top of his range here, but I don't think he would call here without at least a good ace on the flop and maybe 3456? I don't really understand why a good ace would bet the river. So this sort of looks like a case of him having a monster or air. You put him in a tough spot in theory, but I think his value range for betting the river is probably pretty small.

Why do you squeeze?

Thanks all! Good feedback.

After more thought I think this is a spew. I didn't need to 3b this hand, although I still don't hate it oops vs a blind raise and some weak callers. Flop bet is too big. At the time I had a strong read that the whale was just waiting to fold, so I rather quickly cut out chips and didn't put enough thought into it.

I was planning to give up when I checked turn if I'm honest. On the river I expected him to check behind and take it, but when he bet I had a hard time putting him on any value hands. AA or KK should be a tiny part of his range. Most of the rest of his value range would be 2s, and maybe AK, (I do think he will go for pretty thin value vs me) all of which I think fold to the jam. I didn't want to tank/raise because it would be out of character, so I pulled the trigger.

Poor play. Should have slowed down and given more time on each street. Thanks for the feedback.

Did he snap or did he tank?


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Nvm, I just read the spoiler.


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You are already a "LAG" and don't need to advertise with your pre-flop raise. Whale isn't going to lay down any blind hand after raising blind $200, and your hand is not superior to a random hand and is inferior to the Pro's hand, who likewise isn't going to fold. Your hand's value is its flop focus where you can flop a monster and make money on later streets.

I may be wrong, but calling Omahaha hands frequently have an Ace in them. Since you cannot represent a 2, then I'm thinking few people will fold stiff AQ in this spot. Nobody is going to put the LAG in the BB on pocket Aces.

I sure hope you put an exclamation mark on your bizarre play, like looking up and mumbling "Stop telling me to raise!", or "<expletive>, I had pocket deuces two hands ago". Since you have been promoted from "LAG" to "Bizarre" (at least for a while), I sure hope you take advantage of that by only raising with the goods.

So much bad advice here...

1) This hand is about a top 25% - not a premium but vastly superior to a random hand in both raw equity and playability. Plus we're 200bb deep here...

2) The pro here is in the straddle and hasn't acted yet. Of course he's often going to fold to a 3b with 3 people still behind him often.

3) Even as a pretty well-established LAG player AAxx and KKxx will comprise a huge portion of my multi-way oop 3b range. This hand is at the very bottom. I only pulled the trigger on this one because I knew the open was blind and the callers are almost always weak after they flat the whale in position.

4) The river is where I could be wrong and wanted feedback, but I'd be pretty shocked if any half-decent regular omaha player would be calling the x/r with less than AK. Even the actual guy in the hand said "I knew that K was good for me" assuming I had KK before I showed the bluff.

I have no clue why you chose to post this hand. Except for the turn check,none of the decisions you made would be optimal without having pretty specific reads on the players at your table. So what exactly do you expect ppl to tell you?

Range vs range analysis of the river spot and thoughts on if the x/r is a spew...

Same reason people post any hand analysis - it was an odd scenario and I wanted other opinions.

I mean he is gonna have a bluff catcher here 95% of the time, 5% he will have the odd 22 or Aa. With your line you are saying: I have AA even though I should not have it as I know you have a bluff catcher, so I should bet. You said villain is a pro, so he knows this also.

Is he gonna fold? Who knows?
Should he fold? Probably not.

(Reading results, captain hindsight says we should have given Aa a higher probability, especially with regard to BTs stack size.)

It appears I may have gone brain dead, since I specifically recall comparing a QJ96 hand. ProPokerTools: As it is, however, your JsTh9s7c is 2 points higher than a random hand (making it maybe 40%), noticeably better against more 100% hands, but equity drops well below par against any number of 25% hands. I agree it has higher EV since it has good focus and makes a lot of nuts, but the fact that it has less equity means you should not be re-raising with it. Its a great hand to play against the field; no need to narrow it down. A pair 33 in a 5 way holdem pot has good EV, but you don't want to raise with it since it realistically wins maybe one in 8.

Where would I find such %-age hand rankings?

http://www.propokertools.com/orderin...axordering.txt

That's about where it falls on the pokerprotools "profitability" ordering. I often refer to sheets I made years ago derived from ppt.

As I mentioned earlier I agree this isn't a good 3b in this spot, nor a well played hand in general, and your points are valid now that you're talking about the right hand .

Honestly I just give up on flop - you have 0-3% equity if called and too deep to blast it away.

If you had 1 ace I wouldn't mind it as much but since we don't have any A or 2 it's too likely our opponents have them.

I don't mind the half pot bet but after flop you can't continue when called.

Looks like you got too fancy in this hand it cost you 200bb

agree.

Thats just a raw list of hands. After the first couple pages, finding your hand doesn't tell you where it is relative to the field. Knowing the nuance ordering of close hands doesn't do you any good in practice.

Is there a better list anywhere, you know: AKQ4 is 15% or whatever?

I think the 3b is fine -- an opportunity to potentially:
- Blast out dead money that has called the original raise
- Blast out the pro's $100 a bunch and deny him positional advantage
- Play HU with the whale who has raised blind

... and it almost worked.

You are also far more likely to know where you are at in the hand when you hit if you have gotten it HU or shorthanded.

So the preflop seems good, even optimal.

As played bet small on the flop, the pro will have a bunch of hands that can't continue or attempt a bluff given the whale behind, and the whale having a random hand can't continue a lot either. When called give up.