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Originally Posted by Chad_1982
get the point, but still:
The fact that owner knows my game and still raises me should ring alarm bells
to the 4bet pre:
don't like it. im sure im getting called in 2 spots, and then im playing oop still very deep in a 3 way pot (in case im not getting a 5bet by owner) with my cards basically face up (aa or akk)
I can understand being wary of playing OOP with this hand, but as noted by Joe-exotic69 if you aren't 4-betting hands like this at all then you don't have a 4-betting range that doesn't include AA.
This means your ranges become incredibly capped; we need to be willing to 4-bet sometimes with hands like double-suited wraps, double suited KK, double suited double pairs (i.e. 6677 or 4455) in order to keep opponents on their toes about what we are capable of playing.
If you had 4-bet pre I think it would've been a bet of $870 I believe; if the owner wants to 5-bet it's then like $2600 and we can fold knowing that he only does that with AA and we only lose the $870. Maybe he flats the 4-bet and that flop hits and we get stacked anyways, but it just gives you more clarity on where you are at in the hand.
As we ended up playing it we had to put in $850 on the flop anyways when we could've been against both QJ and AA anyways (with Whale having AA and Owner having the QJ) - did you think you are ahead at that time on the flop?
Feels like one of them has to have QJ, so if we don't fill up on the turn are we check-folding and there are only 6 outs for us to do that (at most - could be more blockers out there with the 3-bet and 3 players calling).
As played though river is a clear bet-fold or check-call (maybe JJ or A-10 will bet sometimes if it's checked, don't know the players so can't be sure). You basically have a bluff-catcher as sick as that sounds with Kings full; you block all the made hands that should be betting that river (AA/KK/1010), so the questions becomes:
A) Will I get A10/JJ to call a river lead?
B) Will A10/JJ bet that river ever if checked to?
C) Will I ever get bluffed here on a river lead? i.e. are these guys capable of putting in the most insane multiple level bluffs with super-capped ranges on the most disgusting board possible (with crazy dealer error to confuse things further)?
From the sound of it:
A) Sometimes
B) Sometimes
C) Doubtful