Playing 6 handed.

I open A8K6 to 70 from the cutoff. I've been on the aggressive side, but nothing crazy, especially considering we're playing short-handed.

Button, no real reads, but he's rebought once after getting stacked in a standard spot, calls with $2300 behind, I cover. Blinds fold.

Flop hits KQ3

I bet $105, he thinks for a few seconds then calls.

Turn is the 7, I bet $260, he calls quickly.

River is the 4, I check, he bets $600 fairly quickly and stares at the pot.

I talk and try to get something out of him, but he keeps staring and keeps silent.

Any thoughts on any streets appreciated.

The highest I play is 2/5/10, so take it with a grain (or pinch) of salt.

Pre looks good depending on table and how many callers, if people limp/raise, stack sizes, etc.

Flop is good (please put pot sizes on all streets -- so much easier).

Turn is OK, but this is where I might have check/called, especially if my plan is to check a blank river. If that is my plan, then it's probably to check/fold a blank river.

River is a soul-read. We don't beat much, so I probably just fold. He could have a lot of hands that beat us (a lot), and I doubt he's folding at this point, but if you think you have any FE, you can raise. Sexy, but could cost 100bb+, especially w/o reads.

In game, I fold.

WP..all streets..now fold. Even though villain's line makes absolutely no sense, a big bet here is usually a nutty hand...if he has any bluffs in his range, the bottom of my bluff catching range here would be Top2 as he MAY be bluffing with the best hand here

Hero beats all AJQT hands and the run out is good for our hand

Folding now is fine, this hand is too weak for us to plan on xcing that size

we can consider alternative lines all streets but pre, as played villain will have plenty of good made hands, and bluffs should mostly consistof jtxx, worse flush draws with worse 1p, or perhaps we fold when chopping

A lot of jtxx hands and non-nut flush draws should not continue turn but 2p and even sets can pot control


Agree that xr is a cool line here with our blockers to top set and straight but its a real tough sell

Completely disagree that he could have a lot of hands that beat us.Are we afraid of set or top 2 that he just called on this board or we think he has straight?1 pair hand is always very weak bluffcatcher,but i just don`t believe

his story,would call this.It is of course not clear decision by any means,but if he

could have lot of hands that beat us,it is clear that he could have lot of bluffs here also.

So, what's he calling the flop and the turn with? I guess some type of rundown is possible. I'm just not used to calling large PLO bets on the river with one pair against unknowns and expecting to be good. Usually, they've back-doored some ridiculous straight, two pair, or set or had KQ the whole way.

Against an unknown, I think you are more likely behind than ahead, but I can get behind a call the way the hand was played. In game I'm pretty sure I'd fold and wait until I had more info.

It’s not necessarily that he is betting river with his weakfish value range on flop, it’s more about top top for us is rarely a good bluff catcher in this spot. I agree villains line is fos, and if hero calls, villain says good call and turns over a stupid two pair, like TJs3x4x or TJss77 A345. If I’m reading villain as weak I’d rather bluff raise than call.

I still think fold>>>raise>>>>>>>>>>>>>call with limited reads we have


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Thanks for the replies and analysis guys.

It seems pretty unanimous that villains line doesn't make much sense. That said, most seem to be in favor of folding. I wish I had.

Instead I called, and was shown KKxx (sidecards weren't relevant). Definitely couldn't put him on that since I had the case king, but since he had no redraws I can only surmise he would've played all sets similarly.

My thinking was similar to those that said I didn't block any straight draws, and I would've thought he'd put a raise in on the turn with his stronger made hands. My call was definitely thin, but I've had success making similar reads online. Perhaps those games are just different (shocker).

im relatively inexperienced playing live, but I'm starting to think that the reverse tell of staring at the flop feigning weakness when you're really strong is so common it is almost back to being a legit sign of strength. I've caught myself doing it.

Anyway, into the next one....

Edit: villains holdings notwithstanding, I'm not sure a river CR would be good as a bluff (would be cool with the nuts). I don't think he turns two pair into a bluff..maybe though, it was something I hadn't considered.

As played I would have bombed the river but I think I would have checked one of the previous streets.

Bomb river as a bluff I assume. What are we trying to get him to fold?

To your other point, If we check flop and he bets, what's the plan?

If we bet flop, then check turn..what do we do if he bets? Just call or shove?

Pre seems standard to me as does flop. Turn i would sometimes barrel but often check. 7d does nothing for our actual hand or range and is not a scare card at all.

I definitely check/fold river. Absent a very strong read I just don't bluff catch on river with one pair. We block the primary drawing hand anyway but even if we didn't i would fold because i really hate bluff catching one pair.

Anyone like a value bet/bluff/block bet on the river in the range of $300?

The 7 obviously improved his hand. The only draw it could have made was 6-5-4 and that draw made it. I doubt he flopped a no-pair big draw and didn't like it, then spiked a 7 and liked it. He's got to have two pair or random set of 777s.

Now if he paused after turning the 7, now you have reason to call.

Played fine. Fold.

I don't know what his range is after that line, but unless I think he's getting way out of line we don't need to be calling here. We'll have plenty of 2pr hands and even sets to bluff catch with. On top of that we're blocking the club draw.

I always seem to run into these type of spots where villains line makes no sense and then he suddenly bets big on the river. Without reads they're just folds. Most villains aren't sticking out random river stabs often enough to make it profitable.

The bolded is so true. When a V, especially a V who's played the hand passively, throws out a big river bet, they usually have it even if you don't understand how they could have it. If the gutshot hit, they had the gut shot. If the back door flush came in, they have it. It's the nature of PLO that people come along the whole way with one hand, but then can hit otherwise hidden nutted hands on the river with their "other" cards.