10/20 300bb deep hu vs fish. aaxx nut fd oop
05-24-2010
, 10:23 PM
Hes a huge station. calls down 2 pair on 3 striaght and 3 flush boards consistently. he does make some raises here and there as bluffs. i havnet seen him raise like this in a 3 bet pot as a bluff. whats the line 300 deep oop here? how do you play it on all streets and why
Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha, $20.00 BB (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (BB) ($6655.50)
SB ($7463)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 2
, Q
, A
, A
SB bets $60, Hero raises to $180, SB calls $120
Flop: ($360) 9, J, 4
(2 players)
Hero bets $240, SB raises to $980, Hero calls $740
Turn: ($2320) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $1320, Hero calls $1320
River: ($4960) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $4960, Hero calls $4175.50 (All-In)
Total pot: $13311 | Rake: $0.50
Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha, $20.00 BB (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (BB) ($6655.50)
SB ($7463)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 2
, Q, A, ASB bets $60, Hero raises to $180, SB calls $120
Flop: ($360) 9
, J, 4 (2 players)Hero bets $240, SB raises to $980, Hero calls $740
Turn: ($2320) 4
(2 players)Hero checks, SB bets $1320, Hero calls $1320
River: ($4960) 7
(2 players)Hero checks, SB bets $4960, Hero calls $4175.50 (All-In)
Total pot: $13311 | Rake: $0.50
05-25-2010
, 11:49 AM
05-25-2010
, 12:10 PM
05-25-2010
, 04:32 PM
05-26-2010
, 12:56 PM
Weird, huh?
| ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation |
| 600,000 trials (Randomized) |
| board: J94 |
| Hand | Pot equity | Wins | Ties |
|---|---|---|---|
| AdQdAs2h | 35.95% | 215,629 | 87 |
| JJ**,99**,44**, JdTdQ8, Td9dQ8,J9T8,KdTdKQ,KdTdQJ,Td8dJ7,Td4dQJ,KdTdK*,QTJ4,(QT8* & *d*d**) | 64.05% | 384,284 | 87 |
05-26-2010
, 01:29 PM
Quote:
Weird, huh?
| ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation |
| 600,000 trials (Randomized) |
| board: J94 |
| Hand | Pot equity | Wins | Ties |
|---|---|---|---|
| AdQdAs2h | 35.95% | 215,629 | 87 |
| JJ**,99**,44**, JdTdQ8, Td9dQ8,J9T8,KdTdKQ,KdTdQJ,Td8dJ7,Td4dQJ,KdTdK*,QTJ4,(QT8* & *d*d**) | 64.05% | 384,284 | 87 |
05-26-2010
, 01:50 PM
Ok so for the sake of balance, I've removed two sets from his range to balance combos. It really doesn't change much, but yeah. A passive player's shoving range that isn't sets is going to be super specific and he's defending so many hands with pocket pairs this deep.
| ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation |
| 600,000 trials (Randomized) |
| board: J94 |
| Hand | Pot equity | Wins | Ties |
|---|---|---|---|
| AdQdAs2h | 37.86% | 227,137 | 83 |
| JJ**,JdTdQ8, Td9dQ8,J9T8,KdTdKQ,KdTdQJ,Td8dJ7,Td4dQJ,KdTdK*,(QT8* & *d*d**) | 62.14% | 372,780 | 83 |
05-26-2010
, 02:21 PM
The sets obviously make a huge difference, but unless you're LFTV you're not going to be able to pin point your true equity here. So we are to assume that our true equity lies somewhere in between these two sims.
We need 46.8% equity to get it in on this flop, so shoving with the assumption that a generally passive players range will be polarized will be around neutral EV. This leads me to believe that flatting is better, even though we are OOP given the reads in the OP of how stationy this guy is and how you shouldn't want to flip against a passive a player for 330bbs.
| ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation |
| 600,000 trials (Randomized) |
| board: J94 |
| Hand | Pot equity | Wins | Ties |
|---|---|---|---|
| AdQdAs2h | 36.02% | 216,083 | 76 |
| JJ**,99**,44**,JdTdQ8, Td9dQ8,J9T8,KdTdKQ,KdTdQJ,Td8dJ7,Td4dQJ,KdTdK*,J9T7,(QT8* & *d*d**) | 63.98% | 383,841 | 76 |
| ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation |
| 600,000 trials (Randomized) |
| board: J94 |
| Hand | Pot equity | Wins | Ties |
|---|---|---|---|
| AdQdAs2h | 54.78% | 328,673 | 67 |
| JdTdQ8, Td9dQ8,J9T8,KdTdKQ,KdTdQJ,Td8dJ7,Td4dQJ,KdTdK*,J9T7,(QT8* & *d*d**) | 45.22% | 271,260 | 67 |
We need 46.8% equity to get it in on this flop, so shoving with the assumption that a generally passive players range will be polarized will be around neutral EV. This leads me to believe that flatting is better, even though we are OOP given the reads in the OP of how stationy this guy is and how you shouldn't want to flip against a passive a player for 330bbs.
05-26-2010
, 02:34 PM
Against sets only we have 34.3%:
Yet in your first sim when adding to the range a bunch of combos which we are soundly beating as a whole we have 35.9%(+1.5% from sets only). I just dont that that's reflective.
| ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation |
| 600,000 trials (Randomized) |
| board: J 9 4 |
| Hand | Pot equity | Wins | Ties |
|---|---|---|---|
| AdQdAs2h | 34.33% | 205,940 | 90 |
| JJ**,99**,44** | 65.67% | 393,970 | 90 |
Yet in your first sim when adding to the range a bunch of combos which we are soundly beating as a whole we have 35.9%(+1.5% from sets only). I just dont that that's reflective.