Hero AA89
Flop K32
1-2-5 live game.
I had raised to 15 from MP1. 5 players see flop, 2 in front, 2 behind me.
Effective stacks 250
Pot 75.
Should I bet?

Reasons to bet: to let a villain make a silly two pair, gutshot etc on turn would be weak poker. I am quite likely ahead at this point (someone know the math?) and if behind then have 11 outs to trips (or 14 outs to 2 pair). Villains may fear KKxx.

I think I really must bet this.

Thoughts on how to proceed if called, on various turns?
If I get raised on flop then I guess I should go all in.

Yes, if you are raised on the flop after betting say 2/3rds pot or more you should call all in, because you would at that point have the equity to stack off against top set.

Yeah bet/ call is good here

Yeah makes sense.

Interesting spot if I'm just called. I guess I can most likely then put Villain on a wrap or a straight/flush combo draw. If a non-straight card comes on turn then I guess I should shove (though he could have been calling with a speculative hand like KT54 and hit the T for top two pair... well I can just take that risk, and I still have decent equity with one card to come). If a straight card comes then I guess I might have to fold to a pot sized turn bet with only the slim chance of hitting to the flush with 1 card to come.

Or he could have Kxxx or be slowplaying a set. You actually have a few options on the flop. You can pot it, bet small or check. Betting small like 30 for example might maximize your chanes of getting called by some really weak hands like naked Q hi flush draw or something like KQQ5. Hands that are in really bad shape. You could even check raise especially if you do check and there are some callers after the bet. AA + nfd often plays well as a check on the flop, especially in a mass multiway pot. K32 is a fairly non threatening board, except for the possibility of KKK of course. The most important factor about this flop situation is that the SPR is pretty low. So that means that you have a better chance of getting the money in good, as people rightfully gamble more in low SPR situations, and it is less of a problem if you do run into a better hand (specifically a set or two pair + fd). Which in a five way pot you will actually do a decent amount of the time.

Bet/call's fine, though I think checking this back might be strictly speaking more correct, when you don't block two pairs. If people play weak ranges then they have KK less often so your equity is enough to bet, so I still like betting. I'd bet all NFD with a pair on the board or AA or straight draws, and check the rest back.

Quit PLO if this spot is a question for you.

+1

Quit responding in discussion threads if this is all you can come up with. Person comes for help, if you don't want to give it then don't respond.

What's wrong with people?

It's prolly the best advice anyone could give in this thread.

It's really not.

This forum is to discuss hands and hopefully learn from the discussion. Telling people to quit doesn't help them to learn.

But you know all that already, you're just being a douche.

+1

Bet/call.

I was angry with myself for not betting flop. I can clearly call a raise with 11 outs twice.

Question: if turn is a brick then should I bet again (~160 bet into 225 pot) ?
My thought is that yes I should.
If I check then I can call a bet because I have 15 outs against 2p and 11 outs against a set, which is 1.8-2.8:1 (and 2p is more likely) and pot odds are ~2.4:1
If I can call when he’s ahead, then I should lead out and charge him for when I’m ahead; he might call with worse flush draw/combo draw.

If Villain calls flop and the turn pairs the board then what is my action?

check, call

I assume you mean it pairs the 2 or 3 as it's very different if the K gets paired.

Generally I would always keep betting but with the NFD and aces here it's a somewhat unique spot because it's hard to get 2 streets from worse now (and most hands will just give up turn) and there is also less to protect from with any Kxxx hand no longer able to improve without hitting a K.

x/call looks best to me then to give villain a chance to a bluff and/or to hit a weak flush and pay you off on river.

Great point about difference of King pairing versus the 2 or 3 pairing.

And about having less need to protect from KXXX

I guess there would be value in protecting from 456X or 45XX etc but merit in inducing a bluff or keeping worse flush draws in.

Nice insights thanks

We have $250 effective in a 1/2/5 PLO game with an over pair and nut flush draw. I am betting the flop prepared to gii (actually, hoping to gii).

If I bet (I would), am called, and board pairs, I'm not too worried. Nobody is flatting a set on the flop this short, and they shouldn't be flatting K3 or K2. If they have 32, so be it.

As played checking flop, it really depends on the card and the action.

BTW the most interesting part of the flop is not whether or not we should bet (because we clearly should be betting) but what size we should be using.

With five players in the hand, I pot it.

Wrong answer... we want to encourage calls from plenty of hands when we have this much equity multi-way. Straight draws, weaker flush draws and Kxxx hands are all big underdogs against our hand but will probably find folds facing a pot sized flop bet.

By potting you isolate against a range that mostly is going to be doing decently vs your hand (either flipping or decent fave with sets) Exception to that being Kxxx with Q high FD or a wrap with FD where we're 70 vs Kxxx and 60 vs wrap + pair but both them hands have a good chance of raising a smaller sized flop bet.

Bet/call, really no other options

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OTOH by betting small we may allow players to call correctly and set ourselves up for some unpleasant turn situations.

Are you never potting it five ways on this board or do you have hands in your range where you would bet the max?

This is definitely a spot where I look to my left for a tell that I can check-shove the flop.