I mean just lol at having to watch Justin Watts play PF. Time to end that experiment please.

Just bad effort and concentration. No reason they should be dribbling it off their foot, having the spacing they have, and getting outworked on the boards

can't pin this one on drew. marshall has been worse

what the ****

gg

lack of composure is unsettling. most of them gave up imo

Team mailed it in at around the 10 minute mark.

Henson hurt is

yeah i don't like turning off games, but it was really tough for me to sit through that when they weren't making any real effort for the last quarter of it. henson/barnes were the only ones hustling, save mcdonald throwing up some airballs

wow, this was not very unc-like

I remember the days we dropped 90 as an average and 100pts was no big shocker. Not getting to 60 is barely a shocker and 70 or less is getting to be the norm. Just terrible.

just back from the game (yes i left at the last TV timeout).

- soft as hell inside

- Bullock can't hit ****

- walked passed Marvin Williams before the game and had a brain fart and said, "what's up Jawad"

was thinking the same at the game.

Wtf Lig

10 years ago i would have yelled it at the top of my lungs during a quiet moment of the game.

scary part about this game is that it felt like i was watching last year's team the 2nd half... with the team's demeanor and body language. Schumpert was laughing at the guy's trying to guard him.

Either Bullock is hurt way worse than we all thought, or we picked 2 incredibly overrated swingmen. Bullock, Barnes, Strickland, and Drew flat out cannot shoot the ball. Gonna be incredibly tough to win big with that sort of backcourt play. We even miss more easy layups than any UNC team I've ever watched. Frustrating, but at least there's room for improvement. Last years team had none

silver lining: pats fans are having a worse day

I saw Bullock play in HS and he can shoot. No idea what his deal has been other than maybe his knee is bothering him a lot more than has been let on but either way he hasn't looked that great. I also think Barnes can shoot but he has made things tougher on himself than need be. It's like he'd rather settle for the difficult shot then take the free 12 footer sometimes. No argument on Strickland and Drew.

Through 3 ACC games, our starting backcourt has combined for 20 points which is just mindblowing. Hopefully we shake things up Tuesday.

I agree, all these guys can play.

The big shocker for many of these HS guys is that they are now playing against a whole team that is just as big, physical, and talented as them. Most of these guys are the tallest, and most physically gifted guys in their whole high school conference by massive amounts. Even though they play these AAU/Camp tourneys, which are mostly all offense scrimmages. Most of their play pre-college is against weaker opposition that if your over 6'4, and can jump a modest amount you can completely dominate in HS.

I played AAU with Chuck Kornegay(NCSU/Villanova) and Scooter Banks(Wake) both were older than me, I remember when both came back for summer after their first years at school. Both said the same thing, its so much harder to play when everyone is just as big and just as good. To me in HS these guys were sure to make the NBA, neither had amazing collegiate careers, neither one even sniffed the league.

I also personally think Roy stunts these guys skills some trying to force them into the "Carolina Way" which is a great system in theory, but it might be slightly antiquated for todays game. Especially to your elite guys like Barnes & Bullock, who have been for the most part been able to run free on the court making it happen, forcing them into the system doesn't promote their raw ability. Add the increase in competition, you get guys who look nothing like they did in HS, and appear to be struggling.

I mean I'll take Lurchy's word on Bullock since he watched him in HS and I didn't but I just don't see a pure shooter like I did with Ellington, McCants, Shammond and Donald Williams, and he has zero lift on his shot.

And I think your theory holds a lot more weight with the 6'10 big than than the 6'5 swingman. How many 6'10 kids are you gonna come across to where you're fully prepared to face one every single night older stronger and better than you?

I don't think Roy's system is wrong and stunting players either. Ellington had no problem stepping right in and being effective, neither did McCants, Forte adjusted easily (different system put still valid point). A lot of our current guys still just have bad fundamentals, dribbling ability, and shooting form. Other than McDonald, teams just dare our backcourt to shoot. We've always ranked in the bottom of the country in 3A/FA but that was usually a result of transition points (which we're not getting anymore) +Hansbrough down low. When they did shoot it, Ellington, Green, and McCants were deadly. None of our guards offensive game in the half court strike fear into anybody other than Marshall and McDonald. I'm just pissed that it's year 2 and 3 for some of these guys and they still dribble the ball off their foot and stuff. This isn't as bad as last year, but we're only a tweak or 2 to the lineup away from potentially being much more efficient team, and stubborn Roy will most likely not make the moves

ellington was in a system w/2 players who were better than him though and freed him up for lots of open shots. mccants was more on par talent wise w/the guys around him, but again got a lot of easy shots. the common part for both is that they played w/a good pg, which is huge in college


edit: ellington in particular was not much of creator, especially during his first season. i agree he is a better pure shooter than say barnes but i don't think we generate that many open shots on the perimeter, or in general


also, at this stage i think barnes has had more trouble w/secondary and tertiary defenders than with the primary defense

Talk on IC is that 2-3 starting lineup changes will occur tomorrow. Two for performance reasons, one for motivational reasons. IMO that means Marshall-McDonald-Barnes-Knox-Henson is the starting lineup tomorrow.

the radio call-in show didn't go too well though. only talked about KM's "awful second half performance which was his worst half as a Tar Heel"... paraphrasing here from IC.

and hyped up LD2's D and said he did the best on Schumpert which is b.s. (Barnes did the best on him but only was on him for 1 possession... i know sample size but we needed length on him last night not short guys - Dex and LD2 - guarding him... he is a physical freak).

this being said, some on IC said this might be a smoke screen of sort by Roy to lessen the blow to LD2 when he is pulled from the starting line-up tomorrow.

yes it was annoying as **** that roy didn't put someone closer to shumpert's size on him

some reports surfacing that L-Mac is a no go tonight.

i was behind the goal where he went down hard against Ga Tech and he was def in serious pain. stayed on the ground for ~90 seconds before gingerly getting up and walking to the bench.

i understand that he played more that game and reports are that he practiced yesterday.

if he can't go it is a MAJOR BLOW as indications are the primary changes Roy was going to make was a shake up of the starting guards: KM and L-Max for LD2 and Dex.

SMH.

Marshall starting.

L-Mac apparently has something like a punctured lung, but not quite that serious. Assume it's from the fall but not 100% sure.

time to change the thread title again imo.