i can't believe HB is still struggling so much.

coaches need to instruct Henson to quit pulling himself up by the rim on dunks. he is going to get a T in a very bad spot for us otherwise.

harrison with another really bad shooting performance

this is getting worrying

Maybe HB has an identical twin and we haven't seen the good one yet. I saw a movie like this once

yeah wtf...3-11 against a very marginal team. where is the future superstar who owned it up in HS and in big AA games....dammit.

Barnes is confusing. I think mechanically there is nothing wrong at all when he's lining up for 3's. They're just not dropping. I don't see anything jerky, elbow out, or OMG flick it as quick as possible like LD2. His 2 pt % sucks bc he's trying to be a robot like he's doing NBA gym drills instead of just playing within the flow of the game. Eventually the 3's gotta start dropping for him better than this.

And our current kenpom stats are total garbage and major cause of concern, bc even with all the added talent on the perimeter, and Henson now being in the right position+ a year of maturity for all the players on the team, we still mirror the team from last year statistically. Just wow at the offensive ratings of these players which I'm summing up as stemming from our starting PG LD2 with a 76 rating. His passive/sorry style rubs off somehow I'm 100% convinced. Holy Christ at a 76 rating. That's beyond terrible. Quentin Thomas could even get borderline a rating of 100 in his last season. And lol an eFG% of 26.5, and assist rate of 21%. How the f is this kid still the starting PG of this team. Blah blah blah about improving game by game. Kendall Marshall's #s all across the board smoke LD2. LD2 cannot lead the team into ACC play as the starting PG. Simple as that, or we're gonna be a disaster again.

Bench LD2 and get HB to play better and this team could be top 25. God LD2 is a joke...lol at those stats for a starting PG especially with some of the cup cakes we've had. Does HB play very much with KM yet? LD2 and HB are horrid on the court together.

Oh yeah, there's 343 teams in D1 bball. We rate 330th at %pts from the PG position. Even with Lawson we got statistically average (lol I know how this sounds) %pts from that position. That's all I'm asking. Put Kendall Marshall in there and get us average production and let him grow. LD2 is a waste to continue with. He doesn't have the game, nor the temperament to be the PG for this team. We need somebody like Felton to get on HB ass and get him to snap out of it when he's heading south, or just somebody so badass like Lawson that everybody around him becomes better. We obviously have neither yet, but I believe Kendall Marshall can at least get in HB's ear better than LD2. Who huddles this team up btw? Is it Zeller? I imagine LD2 sits in the huddle and doesn't say a single word

And after listing out these #s in my previous 2 posts, who's on board with a thread title change? I nom plain and simple. TAR HEEL basketball: Bench Larry Drew

disclaimer, didn't see the game last night. i haven't really seen barnes force too many shots; they do just seem not to be falling. at some point it's no longer simply make or miss, but i'm not worried yet. main thing i'd like to see from him is being more aggressive about getting to the rim when the j is off. every now and again he elects to blow by his man but then immediately pulls up

Evansville was lol bad, but there was a bit more of this last night.

kenpom's strength of schedule ranking for ACC teams:

1) UNC: 15th toughest schedule in the nation so far

2) NCSU: 25th

3) BC: 33rd

4) Duke: 34th

5) VPI: 49th

6) Clemson: 69th

7) Md: 111th

8) UVa: 112th

9) Miami: 114th

10) Ga Tech: 148th

11) FSU: 235th

12) Wake: 267th

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?...aft&id=5902636

bump for Long Beach St game

roy williams just isn't a very good basketball coach

watching LD2 continue to get 20+ minutes is just mind boggling

TS%: 36.4
TO Rate: 30.3

HIS TURNOVER RATE IS ALMOST HIGHER THAN HIS TRUE SHOOTING %

IN SERIOUS MINUTES

Continuing to play LD2 is going to lose us games this year

Did Roy just take Mcdonald out after making three straight 3's? wtf

I'm not a Drew fan either but the amount of hate he gets on this thread is so absurd. Have any of you watched Marshall play? Not exactly a freshman Jason Kidd at the moment.

Also, his defensive abilities are long underrated on this thread.

He's done this a lot lately and I don't get it. We went on a nice run in the Illinois game with one five on the floor and he yanked 3/5 of them in the middle of the run. Very odd.

marshall > drew

Why is it absurd? If I crossed off the name UNC and LD2 and showed you a random player who has his kenpom #s and I told you he was the starting PG for that team, would you not wonder how the hell that's possible? Yes his defense is the one plus he brings to the table. I believe he deserves every bit of the hate he gets in this thread.

I hate that I have to defend Larry Drew, it's just that he seems to get all the hate for the problems of this team when he's far from the only issue.

I'd prefer to play Marshall 25 minutes a game compared to 15 for Drew, but it's not like Marshall's play is making this such an open and shut case or anything.

this **** is getting old. makes absolutely no sense.

roy's substitution patterns are a joke at times

It is an open and shut case.

LD2 has been historically bad for UNC. He is without a doubt the worst 2-year starter we've seen in our lifetimes at Carolina.

He's a terrible distributor, awful shot selection, poor shooter, list goes on and on. The one thing you keep mentioning over and over (defense) is fine, but defense for a PG is so insignificant compared to the offensive roles of a PG. It's by far the least significant defensive role on the court.

gmcarroll's point is very good

If I told you in 2008 that the following guy would be a two or three year starter for a team coming off two national championships with the best recruiting in college basketball, you'd laugh me out of the thread and say the coach should be fired

i'm not saying stats are everything, but when they're this bad they tell plenty enough

ORtg: 76.8
USG: 14.6
TS: 36.4%
TO: 30.3%
AST: 21%
FT: 67%
3PT: 14%

I understand being somewhat sympathetic to Drew's position last year. He was put in a tough spot with tons of pressure and an underwhelming team. He was very bad last year, the most detrimental player on the team without a doubt. He had an offseason to shore up some big holes and Roy gave him another chance as a starter. He's improved on nothing, if not gotten worse from what I've seen.

He has some positives, but overall he's just not a starting PG in Division 1 basketball, especially not for UNC. And especially when you have a freshman who is better in nearly every category with soooooooooo much more upside. Yeah he turns it over a lot, won't be any worse than LD2 who struggles with 10 ft chest passes.

I don't think anyone, even my pal GeoffRas who has stuck up for him forever, can any longer justify the continued playing time of Larry Drew on North Carolina

You know a guy is bad when he makes an open jumper and you think to yourself 'Man I'm happy for him. He really needed that one."

Isn't this the case every time Drew makes a shot?