Yeah the travel concerns me. How the hell can u not find a hotel in new york

Maybe now that the clown Mayor called off the marathon they will manage, but not sure.

Y'all don't understand the level of destruction in NJ and the NYC outer boroughs.

There are literally no hotel rooms available in all of NJ. Half of Manhattan is without power. Many parts of NJ will be without power for weeks. My childhood house is literally gone. People are waiting hours for gas. They're finding bodies everywhere. It's a disaster.

This thing is being grossly underreported. It's disgusting.

Man, terrible calls

Glad they overcame those dreadful calls.

Great win. We really should have won that game 24-9. The "Justin Tuck" Rule and that Ryan Clark unnecessary roughness were horrible. Feeling really good about the rest of the season. Also Keenan Lewis is a great CB. Him and Will Allen are the future of our secondary.

Glad I didn't fly home for the game based on this start

Well the injury news sucks......

So si game so far

Yeah, thus far regretting sitting here instead of at Rivers or home

Not a bad game. Sucks to lose but without Ben can u expect to win that game. For not starting in 3 years I like what I saw. They get a week to work on it then play the browns so it could b worse

It is worse. Don't know if I want Ben back this week for the Ravens or not. If he isn't healthy, it isn't worth it. AFC Wild card is still pretty obtainable.

Such a huge win over Baltimore. Also we do not need to resign Wallace. Man he has been bad this year. Dwyer played well and the Defense is out of control. Great win!!!

Ben said at the beginning of the season this was the best ravishing core he has had. I'm not agreeing but a huge win!

Another **** game from a **** team. I have never been this frustrated watching football in my life.

These guys sum up the game pretty well. This is exactly how I feel.

http://stillers.com/Article/View/140...8-91c79599cfb4

I'd almost rather miss the playoffs at this point, but don't think they will.
Don't think I'm going to fly back for the bungles or the browns

Yesterday hurt my heart. I can't stand the cowboys. And what's up with this Haley and big Ben issue?

Ok, we should try to revive this thread.

What is really wrong with this team? They pretty clearly ran bad in the injury department. But would it have really mattered? Coaching? Few people hated Arians more than me, and his success in Indy means nothing to me. He had to go, imo. I'm not sure about Haley, though. The shine has come off Tomlin a bit, too.

Going forward, what needs to happen? I think it's pretty clear that the OL/DL must be addressed in the draft. Those are the weakest areas, I believe. What else? I believe the cap situation isn't very good, so FA is likely not much of an option. (not that it ever has been)

Get a new team doctor (I believe physicians pay for the privilege), turn over some trainers, and axe the S&C coach. The ongoing issues with the big uglies is unacceptable. I understand Troy or Clark or Harrison getting dinged; they're old or their style of play is risky. I don't understand basically all of our young linemen having continual issues. The Kugler situation has already worked itself out - thank God.

Tomlin needs to sit the **** down and reassess his in-game decisions. His endgame strategy has managed to get worse. If he's at midfield with first down and the ball and 90 seconds to go, he needs to play some chess and actually think three downs ahead. This seat-of-the-pants decision **** is completely unacceptable. There was more than one spot this year where he was faced with FG/go-for-it/punt and he managed to go with the worst option of the three.

I was a Haley supporter this entire year but I am done with him. That performance against Cincy was unacceptable. His gameplans require perfect execution. The play-action game never arrived and his playcalls failed to fool anyone the last five or six weeks. It's a ridiculous philosophy in a game where a bad bounce or a single penalty can and will swing outcomes. It's even more ridiculous with an offense loaded with improving playmakers - not workhorses.

Personnel wise I think we're looking pretty good. There's talent on both lines (remember, Cam and Ziggy are very young for 3-4 lineman and McClendon has flashed). We just need a few guys to emerge.

I wouldn't mind unearthing a stud linebacker in this draft. Forget these speed guys; give me another weight room monster like Harrison. Also, Fat LaMarr needs to take his profession seriously.

edit: I seriously wouldn't mind taking a long look at one Norval Turner.

edit2: I'd also like to smash Tomlin's hand with a hammer for ever kicking a FG inside the 10.

Short answer IMO is Todd Haley tried changing what Ben does. That and the receivers can't catch for ****. Overall we need to get a little younger on bothsides of the ball, better oc, and players to be healthy and perform.

1. Tomlin

The Rooneys need to send Tomlin to CMU this summer to enroll in a Game Theory class. Tomlin made more than a few AWFUL choices this season. And what's worse, he doesn't realize it. He thinks that a coach has to make tough decisions (read: no right or wrong answer) and will inevitably absorb criticism regardless of the choice he makes. It's not just Tomlin either. All around the league coaches make strategically incorrect decisions all the time. Not decisions that are a little risky, or a little conservative, but decisions that are flat out WRONG. When to go for two. When to punt or grunt. That kind of thing. Coaches like Tomlin ROUTINELY make choices like these that are demonstrably WRONG. What is startling is that this is acceptable to the owners who pay them millions of dollars.

Being an NFL head coach requires a man to wear A LOT of hats. You're the manager of over 100 men between players, coaches and staff. You have a hand in building the roster. You have a hand in teaching the players. You have a hand in developing game plans. And you lay out the vision that governs it all. It's understandable that the guys who are most fit to handle such a job are not ALSO the best at logic puzzles. But what is NOT understandable or acceptable is sitting back and allowing them to make a mess of the simple, strategic decisions that arise week in and week out. All teams should hire an "assistant coach of strategic decision-making". But until they do, the Rooneys have GOT to impress upon Tomlin the need to get these decisions right. Not everything is a gut call, like whether to pull a struggling quarterback.

Tomlin gets second guessed, like all coaches. And somewhere along the line I'm sure he was taught by a mentor that you've just gotta ignore those criticisms. So when a reporter who never played the game questions kicking the PAT late in the San Diego game, he threw out some random explanation and moved on. But it's NOT ok to kick the PAT when you're down 18 with a handful of minutes to go, and nothing you say to justify it can make it ok. The front office has to review with him the various moments at which he indisputably harmed the team's chances through his own short-comings in the area of game theory. And then they need to work together to make sure it doesn't happen to such a flagrant degree again next season.

2. Todd & Ben

Here's my theory on the offense:

Ben is a **** (the C word). The front office tried to take him down a peg and curtail his ****iness (like pettiness, but with the C word) by dispatching his boy BA and bringing in someone to crack the whip. But they underestimate just what a humongous **** Ben truly is. Ben is all about being Big Ben the gunslinger. He wants to win. But mainly he wants to be Big Ben the gunslingin' ****. There is NO WAY he's gong to let management take away his buddy and profit by it. I'm not saying he threw the season. He played hard. He gunslinged. But he's NEVER going to fully invest in Haley and his system. And he's not losing any sleep over going 8-8, as long as he's still the gunslingin' hero and Haley is the scapegoat. (And if you don't think he secretly LOVED it when we lost to Baltimore and Cleveland, demonstrating how very badly we needed gunslingin' Big Ben....). All while his buddy BA is leading Indy to the playoffs. ( I fully expected the camera to catch a shot of Ben in the stands at Indy's playoff game in a Colt's hat).

So what now?

I think we just have to embrace the big **** in all his ****iness. Pray Haley gets the AZ job, then involve the big **** in the interviewing process. Bring in a coordinator he likes. Let him run more no-huddle. Let him audible more. In other words, give him control of the offense. Is that a better option than an elite coordinator getting the most out of our star QB? No. But the cranky bitch won't go along with that. The next best thing- and it's really not all that bad- is to give the spoiled baby what he wants.

As for Haley himself....

Shane made a good observation- everything has to go perfectly in the Haley system. That can work indoors with Kurt Warner. But that's not Ben. Ben wants to play Hollywoodball. Stiff-arm the linebacker, fling it 30 yards downfield, and come up limping and wincing (and, if it got picked off, shaking your throwing hand).

I liked the move at the time, but in hindsight it probably was never the ideal fit. Butting heads can drive the machine forward if it's born from a hunger to win (Brady/O'Brien). But both Haley and Roethlisberger have a need for control that borders on unhealthy at times. Plus the Xs and Os probably aren't a great match in the first place.

Maybe u should find another team to watch as ur kind of a **** fan

Also your acting as if they are trash. They have been to 3 superbowls with Ben. They are fine, qb is a natural diva position, and Tomlin is a good coach. Calm down lol. They are still a good team, I'm sure they will be much better next year.