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10-04-2011 , 11:06 AM
I seriously do need to chill out, ive had heart burn since Sunday night.

But that might be because i had wings on Sunday and Tacos last night but Im blaming it on the playoffs.
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10-04-2011 , 11:30 AM
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10-04-2011 , 02:16 PM
looks like Mayberry is starting in LF and batting 6th.

I like Charlie getting him in there vs the lefty but if you're gonna do that, go the whole way and shake the lineup up.

Chase will hit 2nd and he's 187/298/308 vs lefties.

Here are better options:

Polly: 336/391/437

Shane: 308/358/595

Mayberry: 306/358/595

I'd like:

Jimmy
Polly
Hunnnrrrrr
Howard
Shane
Mayberry
Utley
Chooch
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10-04-2011 , 02:47 PM
Chase is ****ing due tho.
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10-04-2011 , 03:07 PM
thank god mayberry is in left field. Never know with Charlie and 'his guys'. Was gonna joke to put mayberry at first and francisco in left but francisco is awful against lefties this year (.661 OPS)
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10-04-2011 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Francis_MH
Chase is ****ing due tho.


I'm hoping.

Getting pretty hyped.

2 hours til work is over then it's off to happy hour to watch this game!
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10-04-2011 , 04:00 PM
Tangent: I was stunned the other night when Chase actually got out of the way of an inside pitch in a key OBP spot... and then naturally he got the HBP like two pitches later anyway. What a boss.
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10-04-2011 , 05:19 PM
not sure Shane ever saw that ball
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10-04-2011 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by busch pounders
yea i agree. francisco has no place on the field at all in the post season.
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i had a bigger problem with using Francisco to PH instead of Mayberry against a lefty.
Reverse jinx ftw.
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10-04-2011 , 07:56 PM
Death by a million bloop hits. Ye gods.
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10-04-2011 , 08:54 PM
Posted this in the series thread but...

4 hours ago it was a 1-1 series and we were facing a soft tossing LHP and know Phillie Killer, Jaime Garcia.

Now, it's a 2-1 series and we are facing Edwin Jackson with RFH anchoring a hopefully not necessary game 5.

Needless to say, I'm feeling much better.

Great game by Cole. He threw a lot of pitches but it's not like he didn't have his stuff and was nibbling. The had a TON of foul balls.

Hell of a job by him.

Oh and Ben MF'n Francisco. ALWAYS liked him.
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10-04-2011 , 09:05 PM


This needs to be updated for Fransisco.
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10-04-2011 , 10:42 PM
Game 7 of the WS, who do you want starting the game for the Phils on regular rest?

I'm taking Hamels. I said it. Guy just gets better in October when it counts [2009 notwithstanding].

I mean, Roy, sure, Roy is great. He's 1/b. But Cole is my 1/a.
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10-04-2011 , 10:46 PM
I go Halladay because he is the best pitcher in baseball.

Hey but guys, those Cardinals fans are passionate! Their thread is on page 2 and of course no one has ****ing posted in it since they lost. BUT THEY ARE THE BEST FANS IN BASEBALL!
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10-05-2011 , 12:37 AM
Guess Cole's playoff ERA net of 2009: So, includes 07 when he wasn't yet 'playoffs Cole,' 08 he dominates, last year and this year.

Spoiler:
~1.72


I mean, 2009 clearly something was wrong with him physically by year-end. He was pitching awful well before the playoffs, finishing 4-8 through season's end. Playoffs, net of 09, he's given up 0er 3x, 1er 1x, 2 er 4x. Amazing!

Except for CIN, Roy has underwhelmed for the 'best pitcher in MLB' come October.
Small sample size, but it's the truth: 3/7, 3/6, 3/8 ip is 9 ER in 21 ip since the no-hitter. Almost a 4.0 era. Yes, he finished nicely, I love Roy too.

Cole is even better at home at CBP, not surprisingly. 10-15% better era and whip for his career.

Last edited by NajdorfDefense; 10-05-2011 at 12:44 AM.
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10-05-2011 , 02:48 AM
Four game sample size conclusions ITT.
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10-05-2011 , 09:11 AM
Give me RFH in a game 7 or give me death!!!!

Behind Pujols he might be the most mentally strong player in all of baseball, its damn near impossible to scare that man. Ice water in veins, Cool as a cucumber, etc etc...

Not that Cole couldnt dominate but you need extreme heat exhaustion to get the RFH not just an early 3R HR.
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10-05-2011 , 09:12 AM
Pippen is right though, my mood today is completely different then yesterday. Obviously I feel more comfortable but we cannot walk the tight rope like that every night, just one more bounce their way and we were toast.

This might be the NLCS?
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10-05-2011 , 12:57 PM
damn that was a nailbiter

Benny Fran, I'm sorry for the things I said about you.
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10-05-2011 , 04:10 PM
According to todd zolecki, manuel said he would not hesitate to use cliff lee out of the bullpen tonite. I personally love it. Lets end this tonite!!
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10-05-2011 , 04:40 PM
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Four game sample size conclusions ITT.
It's not a conclusion, it's an opinion. DUCY?

Some guys pitch better in October than others, we'll never have 200 post-season starts from 2 guys to determine this, agreed?

Maybe guys who pitch a lot of complete games, throw a ton of innings every year don't pitch as well in Oct, vs guys that don't. Anyone have the data?

Regardless of Roy's stats, Cole's postseason work has been totally first-rate overall, even better excluding one season. So, to not want him to have the ball in Game 7, Roy would have to have demonstrated a consistent, late-season ability to *improve* on that.

And it's not like Roy's year dominated Cole's year by any means. It was a tiny bit better.

So, like I said originally, 1a, and 1b. Not 1/2.

In a 7, I guess they'd both pitch 2x anyway. So not a big diff at the end of the day. Cole would pitch 3/7 if rotation was lined up, fwiw...
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10-05-2011 , 05:10 PM
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According to todd zolecki, manuel said he would not hesitate to use cliff lee out of the bullpen tonite. I personally love it. Lets end this tonite!!
Seems to me it's a better option than Lidge
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10-05-2011 , 08:44 PM
Massive massive disappointment tonight IMO. Especially considering we snag a 2-0 lead right out the gate.

Ever since that strike em out throw en out in the 1st things screeched to a halt, and hunnnrrrrrrrrrr was easily safe.
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10-05-2011 , 08:50 PM
Yeah so bummed. I said we needed 6ip 3er from Roy and we were one pitch away from getting it. Didn't quite happen and the offense just wasn't close to good enough.

So scared of Friday night, now.

Offense just looks incredibly bad. Since the first three hitters we were awful. Even the rally in the eighth came via a balk, a fluky bounce off a base, a passed ball etc. I'm worried about how we're going to score runs in Game 5.

I'm not ready for baseball season to be over yet.
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10-05-2011 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by NajdorfDefense
Some guys pitch better in October than others, we'll never have 200 post-season starts from 2 guys to determine this, agreed?

Regardless of Roy's stats, Cole's postseason work has been totally first-rate overall, even better excluding one season. So, to not want him to have the ball in Game 7, Roy would have to have demonstrated a consistent, late-season ability to *improve* on that.

And it's not like Roy's year dominated Cole's year by any means. It was a tiny bit better.
Some guys pitch worse in October... probably. Some people pitch better... maybe? Who though? No idea. No one can know, so it's irrelevant and not worth even bringing up. Remember when Cliff Lee was zomg greatest playoff pitcher ever? Now he's not? Which is it? It's neither. He's a terrific pitcher. Sometimes he pitches great. Sometimes he doesn't. It's just sample size variance. For some reason we understand this in the regular season, but then in the playoffs it's some sort of otherwordly magical clutch performer syndrome? No. It's still just sample size variance.

Roy Halladay has proven, beyond any doubt, over years and years of samples, that he is a significantly better pitcher than Cole Hamels. He was better than Cole Hamels all season long even though Cole had a career-best year and ran lucky. Halladay starts game seven. Period. /discussion. If you disagree, you're completely oblivious about statistics and what they mean and how they should be used.
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