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04-19-2010 , 06:00 PM
When i hear or read the world orioles, i think of Brady Anderson's random 50 HRs, Cal Ripken Jr., and that's it.
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04-19-2010 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Distajo
When i hear or read the world orioles, i think of Brady Anderson's roided 50 HRs, Cal Ripken Jr., and that's it.
It wasn't so random considering the circumstances.
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04-19-2010 , 06:33 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Anderson#1996

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"Because I only hit 50 home runs once, it was, in fact, an aberration. However, it was not a fluke," he told the Baltimore Sun (March 20, 2004). "Nothing can be considered a fluke that takes six months to accomplish. Rather it was a culmination of all my athleticism and baseball skills and years of training peaking simultaneously... Hitting in front of [Roberto] Alomar, [Rafael] Palmeiro, [Bobby] Bonilla and [Cal] Ripken didn't hurt, either."
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04-19-2010 , 06:40 PM
Wasn't he in the Mitchell Report?
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04-19-2010 , 07:10 PM
Ah, that's what you mean. Did they release that? That was list that accused baseball players of doping, right?
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04-19-2010 , 07:44 PM
Yeah, they released it like 2 years ago. Even if he wasn't, it's pretty obvious he was on the juice that year. Also, I think Brian Roberts was in it, too, and I remember calling that the year he came out of nowhere and hit a bunch of HRs.
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04-19-2010 , 07:47 PM
Ok, I'm coming to my fellow Philly sport fan for some help. I am writing a law-review type (its a seminar class so it won't ever be published or anything unless its ZOMG good and I suppose its "cutting edge") article which basically asks whether Major League Baseball would be forced to allow a pitcher who throws using a prosthetic arm, who has the talent to pitch in MLB (even maybe more talent than any person with a natural human arm), under the Americans with Disabilities Act.

I could not find anything in the MLB rules of baseball saying that the pitcher must throw using his human born arm or that he could not use springs or some elastic band hidden under his sleeve or anything else that would give him an unfair advantage except for "spitballs" or "mudballs" or using a white glove that looks like a baseball. Is there something I'm missing in the rules? I'm presuming that MLB would not allow some guy who throws a 120 MPH fastball using a prosthetic arm that doesn't tire, fatigue, or get hurt to pitch, but is this actually in the rules somewhere?

Finally, is there some sort of definitive study on the fatigue pitchers face - basically something which explains the common 100 pitch count and why it is important to keep pitchers on a "short leash" as it were?

I appreciate any help or direction you guys can point me in.

And if the Supreme Court does force MLB to allow a guy with a bionic arm to pitch some day in the future, plz to be making him a Phillie one time?
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04-19-2010 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Distajo
When i hear or read the world orioles, i think of Brady Anderson's random 50 HRs, Cal Ripken Jr., and that's it.
I thought they got contracted?
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04-19-2010 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Francis_MH
Ok, I'm coming to my fellow Philly sport fan for some help. I am writing a law-review type (its a seminar class so it won't ever be published or anything unless its ZOMG good and I suppose its "cutting edge") article which basically asks whether Major League Baseball would be forced to allow a pitcher who throws using a prosthetic arm, who has the talent to pitch in MLB (even maybe more talent than any person with a natural human arm), under the Americans with Disabilities Act.

I could not find anything in the MLB rules of baseball saying that the pitcher must throw using his human born arm or that he could not use springs or some elastic band hidden under his sleeve or anything else that would give him an unfair advantage except for "spitballs" or "mudballs" or using a white glove that looks like a baseball. Is there something I'm missing in the rules? I'm presuming that MLB would not allow some guy who throws a 120 MPH fastball using a prosthetic arm that doesn't tire, fatigue, or get hurt to pitch, but is this actually in the rules somewhere?

Finally, is there some sort of definitive study on the fatigue pitchers face - basically something which explains the common 100 pitch count and why it is important to keep pitchers on a "short leash" as it were?

I appreciate any help or direction you guys can point me in.
Wasn't there a case similar to this that happened dealing with running and the Olympics a while back? If I recall, there was a guy with two prosthetic legs who was running insane times, and they didn't let him participate because of it. That probably has nothing to do with the MLB, but seems like a similar case. I'm guessing they would find some way to not let him play, citing the same kind of unfair advantage that guy with no legs had.

As far as studies on pitch counts, I have no idea about that.

Oh, and

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And if the Supreme Court does force MLB to allow a guy with a bionic arm to pitch some day in the future, plz to be making him a Phillie one time?
IMO
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04-19-2010 , 08:48 PM
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Yeah, what are you? a pirates fan?
I hate everything about Pittsburgh.
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04-19-2010 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cwicemvp12
Wasn't there a case similar to this that happened dealing with running and the Olympics a while back? If I recall, there was a guy with two prosthetic legs who was running insane times, and they didn't let him participate because of it. That probably has nothing to do with the MLB, but seems like a similar case. I'm guessing they would find some way to not let him play, citing the same kind of unfair advantage that guy with no legs had.

As far as studies on pitch counts, I have no idea about that.
Yeh Oscar Pistorius. They DID decide to let him run, but he didn't qualify for the olympics. I'm not asking about the law, as then basically I'm asking other people to do law research for me. I'm just asking people who probably know more about baseball stuff than I do about, well, baseball stuff.

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Obv., and I wish he could be our closer when he wasn't starting, but alas, his arm does tire.
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04-19-2010 , 11:07 PM
That's pretty crazy. What got you to pick that topic, if I may ask? If/when I go to law school, I'll probably try to incorporate sports into as many of my papers as possible so I can have a little more interest in what I'm writing, but I don't think I would think about writing about prosthetics and prosthetic body parts or whatnot. Did it just spring out of having to review the ADA or something?
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04-19-2010 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Distajo
When i hear or read the world orioles, i think of Brady Anderson's random 50 HRs, Cal Ripken Jr., and that's it.
I think of the goofy old mascot that used to be on their hats and their goofy fans who think they had the best third baseman of all time, which is just wrong.

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04-19-2010 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by cwicemvp12
That's pretty crazy. What got you to pick that topic, if I may ask? If/when I go to law school, I'll probably try to incorporate sports into as many of my papers as possible so I can have a little more interest in what I'm writing, but I don't think I would think about writing about prosthetics and prosthetic body parts or whatnot. Did it just spring out of having to review the ADA or something?
I am in a Law and Disabilities seminar, and we can choose any topic to write a paper on (I guess the professor could disapprove of a topic, but I don't think he did - he basically just wanted to make sure that you had enough to write about). I was thinking about doing something with a wheelchair basketball or football player or something, then stumbled on the Pistorius case and just was like, "oh, what if a guy with a prosthetic arm tried to pitch in MLB?" (I also had read the Casey Martin case where the Supreme Court ordered the PGA tour to accommodate him by allowing him to use a gold cart on tour). So yeh, with sports being incorporated into my paper I figured that I wouldn't have too much difficulty writing it, even though I have procrastinated the **** out of it.
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04-20-2010 , 12:46 AM
Fair enough, that's a good idea. Good luck with it.
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04-20-2010 , 10:16 AM
Sounds like an interesting topic for a paper, maybe a good theme for some sci-fi fantasy book to.

But knowing baseball, especially the old money that runs baseball. If this ever came about they would just make a rule against it pretty damn quickly...

I dont see why something like that would be allowed...

The Oscar Pistorious thing was a little different, bc he turned out to be an average sprinter, its not like he was running a sub 19 second 200 meters.
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04-20-2010 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerFink
I thought they got contracted?
i have no clue
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04-20-2010 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Francis_MH
Ok, I'm coming to my fellow Philly sport fan for some help. I am writing a law-review type (its a seminar class so it won't ever be published or anything unless its ZOMG good and I suppose its "cutting edge") article which basically asks whether Major League Baseball would be forced to allow a pitcher who throws using a prosthetic arm, who has the talent to pitch in MLB (even maybe more talent than any person with a natural human arm), under the Americans with Disabilities Act.

I could not find anything in the MLB rules of baseball saying that the pitcher must throw using his human born arm or that he could not use springs or some elastic band hidden under his sleeve or anything else that would give him an unfair advantage except for "spitballs" or "mudballs" or using a white glove that looks like a baseball. Is there something I'm missing in the rules? I'm presuming that MLB would not allow some guy who throws a 120 MPH fastball using a prosthetic arm that doesn't tire, fatigue, or get hurt to pitch, but is this actually in the rules somewhere?

Finally, is there some sort of definitive study on the fatigue pitchers face - basically something which explains the common 100 pitch count and why it is important to keep pitchers on a "short leash" as it were?

I appreciate any help or direction you guys can point me in.

And if the Supreme Court does force MLB to allow a guy with a bionic arm to pitch some day in the future, plz to be making him a Phillie one time?
I'm sure there's nothing explicit in the rules although there may be some type of fairness rule that would allow the matter to be addressed on a case-by-case basis. Not an exact analogy, but off the top of my head Eddie Gaedel's career was restricted to one at-bat when his contract was voided as a making a mockery of baseball.

If I recall Baseball Prospectus did a lot of early work in shedding light on pitch counts with its Pitcher Abuse Points statistic. While the stat has some fundamental issues, you can probably look use that as a search point to look up some old articles (by old I mean around 2000-2003) to get some insight and maybe build from there to see where things have progressed.

I almost wrote a law review article on a similar topic but was too lazy to do the research... instead I just picked an easy circuit-split issue where there were already tons of cases and prior reference material.
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04-20-2010 , 08:10 PM
Lol well it took a check swing double and an error but they scored a run.

There's like 4 people at this game.

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04-20-2010 , 08:31 PM
Wow that's like -3 runs produced by Glaus that inning. Thx Troy.
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04-20-2010 , 10:11 PM
god our pen blows
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04-20-2010 , 10:17 PM
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god our pen blows
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04-20-2010 , 10:19 PM
What a ****ing lacing, and what a huge waste this fantastic start from Kendrick is now....
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04-20-2010 , 10:22 PM
jesus
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