i was fine with it, so long as they're giving kolb a chance

but going with vick is a now oriented move, and mcnabb clearly is > vick

so the only thing this comes down to is money in an uncapped year, so **** them imo

for real lol'd

lol

Wait, did they announce him as permanent starter or starter for next week?

People jumping to conclusions about Vick in this thread. He had 50 DYAR this week against fregin DETROIT, a team that gives up 30 points a game year after year. They play CC Brown for crying out loud. The last time the Eagles played Detroit they scored 42 points in the first half.

He was sacked SIX times. He fumbled twice. He's still the same old Vick - an AVERAGE quarterback.

I'm going to repeat this: IT WAS AGAINST DETROIT. IT DOESN'T COUNT FOR ANYTHING. HE HAD A LEAGUE-AVERAGE PERFORMANCE AGAINST THE DETROIT LIONS.

Meanwhile, against Kansas City and New Orleans last year, Kolb threw for like 700 yards, and everyone is ready to give up on him based on one bad half against Green Bay? Seriously?

Ugh this is tilting me so hard.

Yeh its indefinitely afaik

EDIT: its not injury related and I think he said "until further notice"

permanent brah

I'm guessing Reid that either, a) Reid was pressured into this move by Lurie, or b) Kolb's injury is worse than they're letting on, and Reid is doing this to instill confidence in Vick / please the ****** fan base because he knows Vick is going to be starting for a few weeks anyway. There's no way that Kolb is healthy to start and Reid made this decision on his own, it's just not his style.

Doesn't bother me, things change fast in the NFL.

I liked the Mcnabb move at the time and still like it now. He's old, declining, and injury prone. I was a huge Mcnabb fan his whole career but I was with Bdawk and Bwest as well and I liked both of those moves.

So you go with Kolb, who you think is going to be your guy going forward. Kolb looked dreadful for a half and got a serious concussion. If you were right about him all along, and he is going to be your franchise quarterback, do you really think rushing him back from a concussion to play with a shambolic offensive line is a good idea?

Of course not.

So since you have a very capable backup, who has played three good halves in a row, why not name him the starter to avoid all the QB controversy bs? And if you know you'll be benching Kolb for a couple of weeks why not say Vick is the permanent starter?

If we get to week 5 and we're 4-1 with Vick lighting it up then screw it, let's ride the train. Dallas is 0-2, the Giants have looked far from convincing and LOLRedskins, so we might be in a good spot division wise.

Now if Vick isn't playing well because teams adjusted to him or whatever, there's absolutely nothing stopping you from naming a now-fully-fresh-and-healthy Kolb the starter.

good post

i kinda like the idea of protecting kolb from media scrutiny if he is still recovering from injury, but i still want him as the starter when he is ready to go - we need to find out ASAP if he's the guy, even if that costs us a playoff run

Christ what is going onnnnnnnnn??

lol at people citing Kolbs stats against KC and NO like they have some significance. I agree with the Lurie theory BTW.

How do they not have significance?

Yeh man, having a good game against a Super Bowl winning defense is definitely less significant than a good game against a defense, that, well, they have Suh now!

maybe his stats aren't significant (LDO), but his performance certainly is. an 8 quarter sample of promising play is much more telling than a 2 quarter performance of poor play behind a ****ty line. I definitely think this move is more about Vick than Kolb, and on PE.com Andy said he locked himself in his office for 2 days and then made the decision himself.

I'm going to have fun watching Vick and the team this year, but I question the foresight behind this move considering everything that happened this off-season. It's certainly viable that they don't want to ruin him behind a shaky offensive line, especially after he suffered an injury already because he was running for his life. But anybody who thinks this decision is based on, "LOL I guess Kolb is a bust, time to go with Vick/PANIC MODE" is way off base imo.

Its amazing that throughout the course of this discussion regarding Vick v. Kolb, whether here or in the Beast thread or that now-locked thread regarding this very topic, I have not seen Vick's career or season-by-season stats (whether standard or advanced) posted. There also is a significant sample size. Its basically ZOMG HE RUNS FAST! And HE GIVES THEM A BETTER CHANCE TO WIN! (based on...) Which is the same "argument" as Vick-defenders have essentially had his entire career. Now people are dismissing Kolb's sample size even though it IS BIGGER than Vick's 2010 sample size. Whatever. I'm done with this **** and I'll just enjoy watching whoever the **** they decide the starting QB is for this year.

all I know is that if Vick is running around and thrashing the skins in two weeks down at the Linc, I'm going to enjoy it very much

new igglesblog post is up, but still waiting on Tommy L reaction

The thing about B though is that you'd think he'd be completely upfront about the injury being worse than it seems. That creates a no-lose situation where if Vick does poorly they don't have a better option until Kolb comes back, and if he does well they can stick with him even when Kolb comes back. Instead Reid creates a situation where he alienates Kolb, the media, and some fans by proclaiming Vick the outright starter despite claiming Kolb is healthy, and has to backtrack if Vick does poorly once he's not playing the Lions. It's beyond me why Reid wouldn't just say he's taking it safe with Kolb for a while, and will just see how things go with Vick in the meantime.

Agreed, but he's played well these past 6 quarters, and the offense is looking very good. Put up 35 on the LOLions in just over 3 quarters, and also threw some points up against a very good (although admittedly unprepared) GB defense.

He hasn't been around football for a couple of years, and last year he was certainly a long way off where he needed to be to be as a starter. Now though, he looks like he's got his old speed back and his arm strength has never been questioned. We don't see how he looks in practice obv, but why isn't it possible that with the new team, new system, new coaching staff etc. that he may have improved in vital areas (like decision making)?

Again, I'm not saying he has improved. It's entirely possible that in a couple of weeks he'll be playing poorly again, I'm just saying it's possible that he plays well also.

You guys are missing the point, who is having more fun out there? Favre or Vick?

Dont remember who it was but someone hit it on the head imo, with such a wretched O-Line Andy and Brass dont feel confident in throwing Kolb to the wolves. And I guess would rather trot out a QB that kind of earned this start and frankly arent as financially invested in as they are with KK.

Plus the changing dynamics of the division with everyone basically stinking.

someone on FO grabbed Vick's DYAR/DVOA passing stats when he was the full time starter in Atlanta. They kinda ugly

Well, if nothing else, we're going to have that top 5 rushing attack that ppl have been clamoring for over the years

lol, these stats couldn't be less meaningless. vick isn't a great passer? no way! he's a + player.

This and this. It's totally not irrelevant that they traded him. Do you have a plan in place or not? Lol it makes no sense.

I just knew Kolb coming back against a weak defense on the road was too perfect of a scenerio to be true. You just know whenever he makes his return it will be at home against a sick defense so he'll get boo'd after one series. Meanwhile we all have to put up with the Vick fanboys for at least another week after another W.