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09-24-2010 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929
I never realized how bitter the Ohio State/Ohio rivalry was until I saw that video. Kudos to the Ohio kid. He's got moxie!
There really isn't a rivalry. They of course resent us for being better than them in every regard. But the only time anyone from Ohio State cares about Ohio U is when Halloween comes around.
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09-25-2010 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
There really isn't a rivalry. They of course resent us for being better than them in every regard. But the only time anyone from Ohio State cares about Ohio U is when Halloween comes around.
All I know is when Rufus was kicking Brutus' ass I couldn't help but get fired up. 2,499 days of pent-up frustration boiled to the surface in an instant.
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09-25-2010 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by MiloDanglers
any good OSU blog recommendations? THis year I have just started reading

http://www.alongtheolentangy.com/

and find it pretty good. There is a lot of good analysis by a guy who writes for them named Ross. He had a blog I read before but moved it to the link I mentioned above.
i've been reading that lot lately, they do a much better job of breaking things down from a strategic standpoint, which I like. Somebody already mentioned elevenwarriors. www.ourhonordefend.com used to be my favorite but it isn't as active as the others, their "Better Know a Buckeye" articles are great for reading up on incoming classes though and their drive throughs they do on youtube are great, just wish he'd do more of them.

sadly we don't have any one site that really compares to mgoblog as far as quality is concerned. I really do envy michigan fans for that.
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09-25-2010 , 12:38 PM
OSU basketball recruiting for 2011 just got a couple 4 stars. That makes 3 four stars for this class and they want to add another big. Matta is doing awesome. None are Ohio kids either which makes it more impressive
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09-25-2010 , 06:07 PM
lollllllllllllllllllllllllll leaving starters in this long against the worst program in D1
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09-25-2010 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumaterminator
lollllllllllllllllllllllllll leaving starters in this long against the worst program in D1

Gotta make sure you cover that spread.
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09-25-2010 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumaterminator
lollllllllllllllllllllllllll leaving starters in this long against the worst program in D1
I wasn't able to watch the game so I had to use ESPN game cast and when I saw that Pryor caught a TD pass at the end of the first quarter I was a little pissed. I still have no context of the play and have no clue how it happened, but I don't think Pryor should ever be catching TD passes when the score is 45-20.
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09-25-2010 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumaterminator
lollllllllllllllllllllllllll leaving starters in this long against the worst program in D1
Our players aren't made of glass, unlike some teams in the Big Ten. Congrats on finally beating a team in the state of Ohio.
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09-25-2010 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MiloDanglers
I wasn't able to watch the game so I had to use ESPN game cast and when I saw that Pryor caught a TD pass at the end of the first quarter I was a little pissed. I still have no context of the play and have no clue how it happened, but I don't think Pryor should ever be catching TD passes when the score is 45-20.
Really surprising for Tressel to do it, but looks like they were having fun.

Unbelievably good game for the offense. Rushing game could use some work still, Pryor still prone to do stupid things every now and then (ball running loose, that lob that should have been picked). Defense showed some big holes with the over the middle stuff. That needs to be fixed quick. Special Teams was much improved. Basil got some good length on kickoffs and even got a nice tackle in.
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09-25-2010 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
Special Teams was much improved. Basil got some good length on kickoffs and even got a nice tackle in.
This is what I liked the most. Three touchbacks and no real long returns. One to the 31 but that was it. No pooch kicks or other kicks barely making it to the 20 yd line.
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09-26-2010 , 02:55 PM
there is no way the buckeyes put up 70.

i do not believe it.
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09-27-2010 , 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MiloDanglers
I wasn't able to watch the game so I had to use ESPN game cast and when I saw that Pryor caught a TD pass at the end of the first quarter I was a little pissed. I still have no context of the play and have no clue how it happened, but I don't think Pryor should ever be catching TD passes when the score is 45-20.
That was the 3rd qtr I believe and it was for Heisman points more than anything.

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09-27-2010 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Draidin
That was the 3rd qtr I believe and it was for Heisman points more than anything.

It also is going to cause more people to try to stop that play in the future. When Pryor hands it off, they are going to have to stay with him when he runs out, instead of just go for the run.

I don't see Tressel going all Mack Brown and hurting his team for the Heisman. Pryor was in there to improve and get practice, not to win over Heisman voters.
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09-27-2010 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
It also is going to cause more people to try to stop that play in the future. When Pryor hands it off, they are going to have to stay with him when he runs out, instead of just go for the run.

I don't see Tressel going all Mack Brown and hurting his team for the Heisman. Pryor was in there to improve and get practice, not to win over Heisman voters.
and this is exactly what you would be saying about RichRod if Denard were put in at WR in the second half against BG
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09-27-2010 , 10:20 AM
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and this is exactly what you would be saying about RichRod if Denard were put in at WR in the second half against BG
He didn't put Pryor in as WR you dolt.
It was a fake play.

Robinson playing late is different because he is made of glass and the size of a housecat, and Pryor is made of steel and the size of a giant.
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09-27-2010 , 11:18 AM
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I don't see Tressel going all Mack Brown and hurting his team for the Heisman.
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Pryor is made of steel and the size of a giant.
So there should or shouldn't be a problem with injury concern on that bonus point Heisman TD catch?

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09-27-2010 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Draidin
So there should or shouldn't be a problem with injury concern on that bonus point Heisman TD catch?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Pryor has little chance of getting hurt going against a DB that's 80 lbs smaller than him.

You didn't see Pryor charging into linebackers and DEs (although that stiffarm to the DE was sweet).

Pryor sitting in the pocket and throwing is a very small injury risk (compared to Robinson running into heavy traffic on zone read every play). Pryor handing the ball off is not an injury risk at all besides some extreme fluke that's just as likely with him celebrating on the sideline. I would have put Bauserman and Guiton in earlier, but Tressel didn't want Pryor to end on a 3 and out drive.

The only explanation for the pass to Pryor has to be metagame setup for the B10 schedule, though. If it was for Heisman padding, it was dumb. Maybe Tressel promised Pryor something for working hard or something and that was the reward. Or maybe he just knows Ron English was the DC at Michigan and wanted to make a statement.
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09-27-2010 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
He didn't put Pryor in as WR you dolt.
It was a fake play.

Robinson playing late is different because he is made of glass and the size of a housecat, and Pryor is made of steel and the size of a giant.
homer reaction from someone who knows I'm right

I was j/k, anyway, but you know it's true that you would be singing a different tune if any other coach had done this in that situation.
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09-27-2010 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by heater
homer reaction from someone who knows I'm right

I was j/k, anyway, but you know it's true that you would be singing a different tune if any other coach had done this in that situation.
Yeah, only because it's so out of character for Tressel. If he had a reputation for doing that kind of stuff, I'd be more incline to think that it was just being a dick. If he does it a few more times, I'll obviously have to change my mind.

I'll also say I don't have a huge problem with "running it up", although it's usually smarter to try to get a lot of backups reps and avoid injuries. Most of my complaints is how it's stupid to leave starters in vulnerable to injuries and not get backups experience. That's what has bitten Texas twice with VY leaving and no one with any reps, then again with Colt getting hurt in the MNC game, and no one being able to step in who took any snaps.

It's obviously different with Denard because he's much more injury prone due to the style of play and his size. Michigan needs to do everything they can to protect him in safe games.

Maybe Pryor is just getting him to loosen up some. Or maybe he read Harrington on Hold'em and decided that he wants to be like Danny H and wants to ditch the image of being "Action Jim" to fool some people later.
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09-27-2010 , 12:58 PM
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The only explanation for the pass to Pryor has to be metagame setup for the B10 schedule, though. .
This makes a lot of sense yes. But truth be told, does Tress really use that play against PSU, UW, Iowa or UM?

And why use it at all against IU, Ill or Minn?

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09-27-2010 , 01:11 PM
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This makes a lot of sense yes. But truth be told, does Tress really use that play against PSU, UW, Iowa or UM?

And why use it at all against IU, Ill or Minn?

It's not that he uses that play, he uses the sweep play and he wants to force a defender to have to cover Pryor. Or basically any rushing play, he needs to get someone to stay on him. Pryor does a poor job of drawing attention on play action handoffs and that might be one way to get someone to bite the wrong way. He'll definitely run the ball against every one of those teams. Does he throw again with Pryor receiving? Possible, but less likely. But each of those teams need to be damn sure he's not going to. And since he did it against EMU, the weaker teams need to be sure he doesn't do it to them.

I really wish Tress would run it up against Michigan more, though. If there ever is a game to do it, it's that one. Or maybe he thinks it might motivate them too much the next season. If you just beat them into submission and toy with them, they just feel weak instead of angry.
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09-27-2010 , 02:14 PM
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I really wish Tress would run it up against Michigan more, though. If there ever is a game to do it, it's that one. Or maybe he thinks it might motivate them too much the next season. If you just beat them into submission and toy with them, they just feel weak instead of angry.
It would be great to see Tress run it up on Mich. It's like you are sayin though about motivating UM for the next season. Becuase we all know what happen in 1969 after the Bucks ran up the score and went for 2 the previous year.

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09-27-2010 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Draidin
It would be great to see Tress run it up on Mich. It's like you are sayin though about motivating UM for the next season. Becuase we all know what happen in 1969 after the Bucks ran up the score and went for 2 the previous year.

Tress should run it up against Michigan because that is the most conservative strategy (I.E. highest return/risk ratio). I mean, let's look at the Mich/Ohio St game last year. IMO, Tressel instituted the most "conservative" game plan I had ever seen, but if you ask me, we have to butcher the word "conservative" for that claim to even make sense. It seems what is usually called "conservative" is extremely unimaginative game plans, extremely predictable play calling, extremely suboptimal 4th down play, and basically just any effort to lower the probability of a turnover happening regardless of anything else. And where does this "conservative" strategy often get teams? It gets Ohio State in a situation vs Michigan last year where they are only up 14-10 late in the 3rd quarter, when they should be up by 3 or 4 touchdowns at that point. Given what we know about the capabilities of the human spirit, the last thing you ever want to do against a vastly inferior opponent is give them this crazy idea that they can actually win, to inadvertently give them hope which can end up galvanizing them to victory. That's what Tressel's did in the Michigan game, and THIS TIME it didn't burn them. But it's important to recognize that this "conservative" strategy which often results in letting inferior opponents stick around in the game to the point where they actually believe they can pull off the impossible is not conservative at all. It's actually very very risky.
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09-27-2010 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929
Tress should run it up against Michigan because that is the most conservative strategy (I.E. highest return/risk ratio). I mean, let's look at the Mich/Ohio St game last year. IMO, Tressel instituted the most "conservative" game plan I had ever seen, but if you ask me, we have to butcher the word "conservative" for that claim to even make sense. It seems what is usually called "conservative" is extremely unimaginative game plans, extremely predictable play calling, extremely suboptimal 4th down play, and basically just any effort to lower the probability of a turnover happening regardless of anything else. And where does this "conservative" strategy often get teams? It gets Ohio State in a situation vs Michigan last year where they are only up 14-10 late in the 3rd quarter, when they should be up by 3 or 4 touchdowns at that point. Given what we know about the capabilities of the human spirit, the last thing you ever want to do against a vastly inferior opponent is give them this crazy idea that they can actually win, to inadvertently give them hope which can end up galvanizing them to victory. That's what Tressel's did in the Michigan game, and THIS TIME it didn't burn them. But it's important to recognize that this "conservative" strategy which often results in letting inferior opponents stick around in the game to the point where they actually believe they can pull off the impossible is not conservative at all. It's actually very very risky.
Either that or he didn't want to show Oregon anything and knew he could score at will against Michigan in the rare chance he actually needed to.

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