im sure some tosu tards would revel in michigan getting gutted by sanctions but id imagine that number is far fewer than the other side. mebbe its not. mebbe errone involved feels like wiper.

I want both programs to be strong. Bit its ****ing bull**** when one of them cheats their ****ing ass off and doesn't suffer at all. I mean it's the NCAA so whatever, its not unexpected, but that doesn't change the fact that is is complete ****ing bull****.

I don't really care about the cheating. Do it if you don't care about the consequences. It was fun for OSU fans when it lasted. Now it's over... oh well.

Easiest NCAA Investigation Ever.

I would have LOL'd but that's about it. Now I hope they get the death penalty.

As always lol NCAA, but Victor getting self-righteous about how OSU fans would react is just dumb. If UM had the looks of a major scandal brewing in 2000 with all sorts of tidbits pointing to some long-term cheating and a coverup by Carr do you really think OSU fans would be all "thank God, I want to beat them at their best!!!!111" Not a chance. It's easy to throw stones like that coming off the most successful decade in program history.

No.

Look, there's no fundamental difference between the 2 schools. Switch the rolls--i.e. have it where Michigan has dominated tOSU in this rivalry over the last 10 years--and believe me (well you don't have to believe me, just use your common sense following sports most of your life), Ohio State fans would be acting/hoping/saying pretty much the same thing as Michigan fans in this forum. They would definitely be praying we get the 2 year bowl ban. And of course (with the roles reversed) the Michigan fans would be saying the same kind of things like, "Man I wish this rivalry was more competitive. We want you guys to be good again, blah blah blah".

Anyways, now I'll speak personally for myself on this issue. Was I hoping tOSU gets a 2 year bowl ban? Sadly, yes I was. I'm really not proud of that, because I usually only wish for the best for tOSU, except for one day a year. It's not really that I want bad things to happen to Ohio State, it's just that Michigan has been so ****ing pathetic over the last 3 years, and I desperately want them to be relevant again. (I mean not only has Ohio State absolutely crushed Michigan especially the last 3 years, they even did it in PINK UNIFORMS last year just to really rub it in!) Anyways, I want Michigan to be relevant as fast as possible, and obv if tOSU gets a 2 year bowl ban that would help speed up the process for us. So that's solely why I wanted tOSU to get that ban--it directly helps Michigan get back to relevancy. Besides that I find the whole Ohio State situation sad, and if Michigan were good, I would not want it to happen. Tressel is arguably the greatest coach Ohio State has ever had, and he's one of the greatest coaches in NCAA history. The fact that his legacy is tarnished by this crap, which obv is his own fault, is terrible and sad. Just like the fact that Woody's legacy is tarnished by the fact that he forgot to take his meds that one fateful day is also sad. I wish those things didn't happen, but because Michigan has sucked so hardcore lately, I'll take any break possible that can remedy the situation.

Also, tOSU is a case where they actually do have proof. And confessions.

The story about "no new violations" and not chargin lack of institutional control or failure to monitor changes nothing. They CAN still hand out serious penalties as a "repeat offender". That's how Alabama was penalized in the Albert Means stuff.

Mind you, I'm still predicting a NCAA fail on this one (but would be peachy being dead wrong about that).

from that article:
That sounds pretty lol institutional control. Basically, "We didn't want to know what he knew." But it gets better in this one;

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content...iolations.html

So basically don't be too harsh on the OSU investigators, because Tressel sure wasn't going to do them any favors of disclosure either.

Sure sounds like a productive meeting though!

Another nugget in there;

"Hey coach, destroy that so it doesn't become part of the record." sounds like a wonderful policy!

Oh, and before I forget, lol at NCAA "We investigated the SI article saying nine additional players had dealings with the tattoo parlor and completely debunked it. Only one additional player had those dealings with that tattoo parlor! So no new violations." Lol.

good post. i see where you are coming from.

The proof and confessions thing probably works out better for OSU. We self-reported everything and worked with the NCAA.

The Alabama thing is also pretty different from our thing. Yes they didn't get LOIC or FTM but I believe they were a 3 time repeat offender and the cases are a bit different. Alabama broke the cardinal rule. Don't pay recruits.

wat

Needed do-overs though.

Well, I was only referring to lack of LOIC or FTM, but technically;

1) Maurice Clarett
2) Troy Smith
3) Pryor/Tresselgate

this is better, now when we go 4-1 over the next 5 years they have no excuses.

would have loved to see this!

full disclosure tho - had this been in michigan, the convo would've been just as ridiculous

speaking of child murderers, there's a rumor here that she is in columbus. not a rumor - my father used to know her parents and grandparents bitd.

pretty sure i said exactly all of this itt back in the day. its illogical to think JT kept everything to himself. poor guy needs to know how to use email tho.

please. you and i both know that osu's win o/u should be about 8.5 :-(

At this point I'm thinking FIFA and the IOC are less corrupt institutions than the NCAA.

yeah, i saw that. suburb somewhere. i remember reading it described as 'a black suburb' and then someone commented, 'genius, because all white girls look alike no one will know her!' haha.

and i completely honestly think osu wins 10 again this year. probably 11. until it doesn't happen there's nothing to suggest it won't.

11 including Bowl Game? 11 will be tough with the schedule. @ Nebraska as the first game at full strength, a few other tough road games, Wisconsin.

To get to the championship game, it will be tough to get past Wisconsin since their schedule is quite favorable.

10-3 is my prediction assuming we play a bowl game.

you use reverse psychology like vitelli... you have to know him?!

UNDER

Legit question for bucknuts: Will your offensive line be that good? I haven't done the research and can't name any of the starters other than Brewster, who is quite good.

Reason for the curiosity is the general assumption that you'll be able to run the ball down the throats of most everybody - I don't recall being that impressed last year. I know the Brew Crew was highly rated coming in but have they developed?

Offensive Line is supposed to be one of the biggest strengths. Mike Adams is also a good lineman, although suspended for 5 games. Shugarts is a veteran and should be good enough.

Last year we had 5.2 YPC, although Pryor was responsible for some of that.

Overall: 547 attempts, 2861 yards
Without Pryor: 412 attempts, 2107 yards 5.1 YPC.

#15 overall for YPC.

Saine was fairly worthless as a RB (he made a great receiver out of the backfield, though). Once we moved to Herron, things improved a lot. There are a few other guys who I think can get a lot done, so I do expect to be able to run the ball against all but the best defensive lines. Running against Nebraska, Wisconsin, etc... will be tough.

Meh the run game depends on being able to keep the defense out of 8/9 man fronts unless you're a beefeater like wisco. Need some QB play.

Think it's there, but if QB ****s a brick, everything is going to go poorly real quick.

Scrambling QB should be enough to keep teams from cheating too much. Against the most poor teams, doesn't matter if they put 8-9 in the box, you still get 4 yards a carry and go right through them.

I thought I remembered Shugarts being abused pretty badly last year, but he was a big time prospect so maybe it was just a bad matchup for him that I'm remembering. And it was probably pass protection.

Concur on Saine being a better receiver than RB. I don't know anything about any of the guys who will be filling in for Herron, one reason why I was wondering about the line. Open enough holes and anybody can run through them.

5 yards a carry would obviously work just fine.

There were some guys around last year who were pretty solid, and I almost preferred them over Herron at times. Berry, Hall, Rod Smith.