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11-16-2009 , 05:37 PM
I'm worried about the Northwestern coach with promises of above .500 with tough academic standards.
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11-16-2009 , 05:38 PM
If we hire Pat Fitzgerald, I'm taking someone with me.
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11-16-2009 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dudd
If we hire Pat Fitzgerald, I'm taking someone with me.
Hell I'd rather just rehire Ty if this guy gets any whiff of serious consideration. But I think any talk is more to get Irish fans tilted than anything else. Although with this administration...
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11-16-2009 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dudd
If we hire Pat Fitzgerald, I'm taking someone with me.
But he's like, totally Irish man. Las Vegas told me so:

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11-16-2009 , 07:38 PM
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But he's like, totally Irish man. Las Vegas told me so:

must be Irish owned...
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11-16-2009 , 07:51 PM
Looks like Gruden out as a potential replacement

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Please scratch Jon Gruden off your wish lists, N.F.L. owners and college athletic directors. At least for now, the former Bucs and Raiders head coach, who has made a widely praised debut this season as an analyst for “Monday Night Football,” plans to remain a talking head and stay off the sidelines. On Monday, ESPN announced that he had signed a multiyear contract extension with the network.

While coaches are typically not held to their television contracts if they receive an offer to return to coaching –- just check Bill Parcells’ back-and-forth between ESPN and the sideline and front office -– an ESPN spokesman said that Gruden had committed to “Monday Night Football” for multiple years.
“He will not be seeking any coaching positions for the foreseeable future,” the ESPN spokesman Bill Hofheimer said. “We expect to have him here at ESPN for a long time.”

That would seem to eliminate Gruden from contention for what could be a handful of N.F.L. opportunities and one college job that he might cherish -– Notre Dame. Until now, Gruden would most likely have been in the small group of Super Bowl winning coaches pursued for each opening –- the Redskins and the Raiders, among others, are likely to make coaching changes at the end of the season. That leaves Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren and Brian Billick as Super Bowl winners who could return to the sidelines next season.
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11-16-2009 , 07:52 PM
If it makes you guys feel any better, when Lloyd retired, the rumor mills spun with all kind of terrible-sounding options, many of whom were just Lloyd's buddies -- Kirk Ferentz, Jim Grobe, Mike Trogvac, Brady Hoke, Mike DeBord, Ron English, etc. -- so that when we finally hired RR, everyone pretty much went gaga because every other name before him was thought to be not worthy.

So if I were an AD and I were running a coaching search, I'd totally leak some names I wasn't really considering that people would find underwhelming to set the bar low. Then you hire the guy you think is competent and has a better reputation than the schlubs you leaked, and even the potential critics will have to think "well at least we didn't go the Pat Fitzgerald route!"
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11-16-2009 , 10:33 PM
I have to say, this Bob Stoops quote is fairly promising:

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“That’s ridiculous, though, some confidant, huh," Stoops asked? "I have no idea what you’re talking about. Notre Dame doesn’t have a job, and I haven’t spoke to any confidants about anything outside of trying to beat Texas Tech, so, you guys, you know, that’s some guy making something up. I’m not answering stuff like that. There’s not even a job at Notre Dame, so that’s ridiculous. I don’t know. You guys believe [there’s a] confidant. What’s that?”
Never said anything about not being interested or staying at OU, just that there was no job open. I still highly doubt it, but that quote seems pretty strange.
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11-16-2009 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dudd
I have to say, this Bob Stoops quote is fairly promising:



Never said anything about not being interested or staying at OU, just that there was no job open. I still highly doubt it, but that quote seems pretty strange.
Do not tease me like that. I've been trained to give equivocating answers like this if I'm a POW. Probably a meta-level, but we'll see.
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11-16-2009 , 10:47 PM
I think in 04 we did the oppositte of what DVaut said, we started with Urban and moved down the line. At the end of the 05 Pitt game I thought we had lucked out, now I wonder what would have happened if we hired Mariuchi.

Probably ND will react to what we did wrong last time... Fired coach without replacement set up and then hired someone who had never been HC before... and do the opposite.

After the 5 year chorus of "NFL guy not understanding the college game" they are more likely to take a cfb coach, unless they recall Pete Carrol was an NFL guy.
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11-17-2009 , 12:30 AM
I am not keen on Stoops. He's most famous for his losses, especially the hilarious ones in the BCS. We've had more than our share of quality-losses under Weis.
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11-17-2009 , 08:52 AM
Stoops would probably be an upgrade all the same. Kelly is my first choice obviously, but anyone with a track record of consistent success (which Stoops has like it or lump it) in terms of getting teams in the BCS mix is an upgrade from where we are now.

Kelly is in a much stronger position than people think tbh. He's likely going to the BCS again this year, and can expect to be really competitive around Collaros going forward. He signed a big contract recently, and is getting well paid at present. If he doesn't like anything about the ND hiring process or the school's football prospects long term he can pass. Likely, he will be in the mixer for any major program jobs that open up over the next three years (and some will). The assumption that he will automatically jump on our bus is pretty arrogant imo. There is plenty that is unattractive about coaching here, and in some respects it might be the worst next step up for a coach like Kelly.
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11-17-2009 , 09:06 AM
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Stoops would probably be an upgrade all the same. Kelly is my first choice obviously, but anyone with a track record of consistent success (which Stoops has like it or lump it) in terms of getting teams in the BCS mix is an upgrade from where we are now.

Kelly is in a much stronger position than people think tbh. He's likely going to the BCS again this year, and can expect to be really competitive around Collaros going forward. He signed a big contract recently, and is getting well paid at present. If he doesn't like anything about the ND hiring process or the school's football prospects long term he can pass. Likely, he will be in the mixer for any major program jobs that open up over the next three years (and some will). The assumption that he will automatically jump on our bus is pretty arrogant imo. There is plenty that is unattractive about coaching here, and in some respects it might be the worst next step up for a coach like Kelly.
No doubt. My memories of the attempt to woo UM 5 years ago looms heavy in my mind, that sort of brash arrogance of just assuming BK will come. The reality is that we haven't been a power since '93, and our approach is almost like the worn-out 45 year old quasi-cougar who thinks she can have any man she wants since she was once the head-cheerleader or something. By all means put the token feelers out to the Stoops and Meyers of the world, but Kelly should be our top choice and we need to treat him as such.
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11-17-2009 , 09:09 AM
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I am not keen on Stoops. He's most famous for his losses, especially the hilarious ones in the BCS. We've had more than our share of quality-losses under Weis.
Too good for BCS title game losses? Wow.
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11-17-2009 , 09:30 AM
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Too good for BCS title game losses? Wow.
Bob Stoops has 109 wins at Oklahoma between 1999-2008 (that's 10.9 wins/season), 1 national title, seven top 10 finishes in the AP poll (and another at #11), seven trips to BCS games. That's a pretty rough ten seasons. Not up to ND's standards ldo. Nothing to be "keen on" with that guy. He sucks in the national title game!

Only idiot sports pundits think of "embarrassing national title game losses" when they think of Bob Stoops. Everyone else thinks of a guy who built one of the top 5 programs in college football and a consistent presence in the top 10.

Besides, isn't 1-3 in national titles games a better batting average than Notre Dame's 1 bowl win in their last 11 trips, usually to far less prestigious bowl games? Baby steps guys.

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11-17-2009 , 10:09 AM
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Bob Stoops has 109 wins at Oklahoma between 1999-2008 (that's 10.9 wins/season), 1 national title, seven top 10 finishes in the AP poll (and another at #11), seven trips to BCS games. That's a pretty rough ten seasons. Not up to ND's standards ldo. Nothing to be "keen on" with that guy. He sucks in the national title game!

Only idiot sports pundits think of "embarrassing national title game losses" when they think of Bob Stoops. Everyone else thinks of a guy who built one of the top 5 programs in college football and a consistent presence in the top 10.

Besides, isn't 1-3 in national titles games a better batting average than Notre Dame's 1 bowl win in their last 11 trips, usually to far less prestigious bowl games? Baby steps guys.
+100000000000

Seriously, anyone upset at the ND hiring Stoops is the equivalent of the Internet tard (see OOT) of expressing underwhelmment at the Victoria's Secret Catalog.
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11-17-2009 , 01:51 PM
Heard a rumor that Weis is out and there will be a press conference today. No clue how legit it is.
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11-17-2009 , 01:54 PM
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Heard a rumor that Weis is out and there will be a press conference today. No clue how legit it is.
There was, it was the standard Sunday PC moved up a day. Very standard "review what happened at Pitt, look forward to UConn" stuff.
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11-17-2009 , 02:02 PM
Here we go again. Are you aiming for Notre Dame's standards or those layed down by those who don't like us?
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11-17-2009 , 02:10 PM
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Here we go again. Are you aiming for Notre Dame's standards or those layed down by those who don't like us?
Get a reality check. Charlie Weis was your 5th choice. In 2004, a dude named after a Pope who was an assistant at ND turned you down.
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11-17-2009 , 02:21 PM
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This isn't so much the 2p2 opinion as it is the general Michigan internet fan opinion:

- Obviously getting a Year 3. Some people think next year is his do-or-die, > 8 wins or more or fired type season. I just made a post in the perma-thread where I think he gets a Year 4 unless we miss another bowl game. This is probably the minority position. Most people think he has to get it done next year, where "get it done" = 8 or 9 wins or more. I think he has a longer leash because the school is conservative and won't want to rebuild again.

- Most people think the offense is progressing just fine. Everyone agrees the defense is just terrible. There is division as to whether or not there is any hope the defense can become competent enough to not lose 5 game a season. If you have no hope, you want RR fired now or are very cynical about the future, and you think RR is to blame for focusing solely on the offense and ignoring the defense, for not treating defensive recruiting with the requisite seriousness, for cycling through two D-coordinators in two years and staying loyal to incompetent position coaches on defense like LB coach Jay Hopson, who's an old tag-along-wherever-he-goes of RR's. The LBs have been especially, inexplicably bad this season.

If you have hope, you just want this season to end, and think all the criticism of RR's treatment of the defense listed above are overstated, and the team is just too young, there's been too much attrition, and doesn't have enough bodies to seriously compete, and that with time we'll be better.

- As for potential replacements, there's a general division between hoping we could get Les Miles somehow (kind of like ND's perpetual hard-on for Urban Meyer, with the key difference than Urban Meyer is actually a good coach), Brian Kelly, and Jim Harbaugh. No one seems to think Kelly will be around if/when RR gets fired. No one is really talking seriously about it because any coaching search is at least a year off.
Hopson never coached with Rich Rod before Michigan.

/nit

The defense isn't going to magically get better with a new coach. Michigan ranked 7th in the Big Ten last year in terms of players drafted to the NFL. This year we have Brandon Graham and ???? Next year Donovan Warren and ??? That's not just defense, but the entire team. We have one safety on scholarship who is not a freshman, starting two walk-ons, using 70 of 85 scholarships, etc. Also, the numbers do not show that Rod is neglecting defensive recruiting and the charge that he is somehow an offensive coach who cares nothing about defense is unfounded. He had several excellent defenses at WVU. They ranked 8th and 6th nationally in yards allowed and points allowed, respectively, at the end of his final season there.

That's the POV in a nutshell of rational fans who understand why this is taking some time.



I don't remember how ND handled the Davie and Willingham firings? If this is going to happen will it happen soon or what?
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11-17-2009 , 02:27 PM
Hey guys, theres no chance Fitzgerald goes to ND

Hes only being mentioned because hes white and irish ldo, but not a chance in hell he goes
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11-17-2009 , 02:49 PM
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Get a reality check. Charlie Weis was your 5th choice. In 2004, a dude named after a Pope who was an assistant at ND turned you down.
Getting a reality check from you is like hearing a post-season exhortation from Stoops.
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11-17-2009 , 02:58 PM
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Hey guys, theres no chance Fitzgerald goes to ND

Hes only being mentioned because hes white and irish ldo, but not a chance in hell he goes
George O'Leary imo
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11-17-2009 , 03:48 PM
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If he hire Ferentz, kill me now. Alternately, get ready for a whole lot more luck of the Irish headlines.
Just wondering, what's wrong with Ferentz? Besides the fact that his name is not Kelly, why would this be a disappointing hire for ND?
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