da Bulls?

bahahahaha this cant be real

Ya, at least I have them and the Hawks

1840-1920 was a lean period in ND history

I looked it up. The part about Montana beating Houston in the Cotton Bowl was 100% accurate.

consider the source

I thought it was obviously joking, but I apologize for the confusion. Here's ND's Bowl record (They are 15-16 overall):

above is cribbed from wiki

So with Mich St.'s victory the first quality win since Ty is confirmed. Kelly may not have as many as Ty, but clearly the program has turned the corner from the nightmare that was the Weis era.

Next year is going to be very tough.

BK has several problems.

He needs to stop losing to teams that you dominate-- Michigan, even if they are a better team, is someone you dominated.

He needs to stop losing to clearly inferior teams.

He needs to show up better out of byes, in openers, and bowl games.

But the big one is the one that everyone is talking about. He needs to get better play from QB, which means he needs to develop the position, and right now it seems like he is starting from scratch.

His second biggest problem in my opinion is a marketing problem. He needs to sell 8-4 next year, his third such year in a row, as progress. Which while not good enough for ND, it clearly would mean progress, and clearly would be 3 consecutive years of progress after the worst 3 years in ND history.

USC 2005 tho.

At this point, a culture of losing clouds this program. Changing that isn't merely a talent issue and is going to be a huge ask for anyone.

This is irritating, because we won all three of those games in 2010.

Against our schedule next year, if Crist is there and healthy I would be happy for him to go with that. Rees clearly has talent, but he ended the season like he started it, and I have to be sceptical that he'll sort his flaws out when he didn't seem to move forward on them over the course of the season.

I agree with this obviously, particularly in light of what we are playing next year. We do have a fan base that is largely incapable of perspective though, and that is unlikely to change during Kelly's tenure.

Crist left, yo.

At least we have signing day next month to look forward to.

It's a wonder no top QB wants to come and run an uninspired and get screamed at when it doesn't work. And we get to scramble for someone new while keeping an eye on the annual Poach Bowl.

Considering quinn/clausens draft results...

I liked it a year ago when we were way too deep at QB with Rees/Hendrix/Massa to back up Crist.

Reckon anyone on NDnation will take up the chant of throw millions at Frank Beamer?

Look how easy it was for Michigan. If you play them today they are rightfully favored-- this in the same year that you kicked their asses but failed to get a win. You managed to turn their culture around in less than a minute. Tonight they got lucky and they are on top of the world Big 10 with the 3rd best team in their conference. Whatever their problems going forward, culture of losing isn't why they will lose.

Build a truly good team, or get lucky, bam!, new culture. These are a bunch of kids who turn over every few years, the institutional scars aren't handed off for the most part. A winning tradition is a safety net-- unless you develop entitlement disease...

Darby decommits. The one position where we could guarantee a lot of playing time.

I'm glad to see Saban's name finally getting more into the mix for ND's next coach search. You guys had been way too focused on Meyer and Stoops. Back up the truck in Tuscaloosa!

NDNation ftw!

http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showp...d=298971;d=all

Seriously, does ND Nation not understand over-signing? Nick Saban is Nick Saban 3 Time NC Champion Jedi because Nick Saban gets 15-35% more bodies than schools actually playing by the rules, then he gets a summer camp to weed out the bottom with tickets to the Nick Saban Memorial Gray Shirt Hospital.

Nick Saban without the medical grayshirt hocus pocus isn't Nick Saban 3 time national champion imo, so unless ND is willing to adulterate the program's ethical standards, I don't see it as a natural fit. At least Urban Meyer ostensibly runs things cleanly and was named after a pope and stuff, he fits the culture, so I understand the desire from the ND side. Hiring Nick Saban would be ND capitulating to what they claim is the bottom rung of college football ethics.

If ND just wants to drop a barrel of money on someone who doesn't care about the program brand, will slash and burn the moral and ethical boundaries ND holds dear, can probably make them a few games better, and will leave for $1 more than what they're currently getting paid, that's Bobby Petrino's career modus opperandi, just give his agent a call.

Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.

Just open the checkbook, ask for a number, and double it!

I hear 10x more whining on NDNation about oversigning than here. In fact I don't think 4 is even aware that Kiffen started cutting kids at SoCal.
As for Saban, didn't he win at Sparty? Success breeds desire. Before Monday there were some Domers who thought that Miles is a good offensive coach.