also it was starting to rain

in BBTN there is a great article on it

BP has a lot of good ones

so does THT

look for pitcher abuse points (PAP)

although i no longer subscribe to 115 being the strict limit for all pitchers, however i think most fall around that, with only a few exceptions. Younger pitchers fall lower. Big, durable guys like CC fall higher. Randy Johnson also falls higher.

lol that strike call on pena was worse than ball four on swish. what a terrible job behind the plate.

honestly dont think it was a bad call after watching the top down view. looks like it may have nicked the black.

NESN didnt show the top down view

on the plus side, no michael kay yay

Woa at the gym come back and he has 12 k's in 5 innings.

Anyways, I give up trying to talk pitching to you guys. While 95% of you believe I'm a complete utter moron, I disagree. I've been a big reader in baseball prospectus, baseball america, lets talk pitching, paul reddick, + others(all sites that talk prospects, pitching, etc) and I re-hash what the majority of baseball writers/experts say to some of you guys.

It's rather ennoying being called a complete moron by several of you who most likely don't know jack**** about pitching, and just assume that since someone can throw a 95 fastball it means their an elite pitcher.

Some of you guys will maybe one day will learn the fine fact's of pitching.

Looks like I've got some reading to do.

Although I'm really surprised that there could be such a big difference between 100 and 120 pitches, young pitchers notwithstanding. Everyone else agreeing with Girardi's decision makes me feel I'm probably wrong on this point, though.

The majority of baseball writers/experts from those sites think Joba should be a reliever?

god damn the bottom of our order is sucha parody

Humble is not in your vocabulary, is it?

please cite who (if anyone) at BP, BA, etc. wants joba in the pen? i understand that a majority of the tv crews and espn.com seems to think so, but i honestly think that a majority of BP, THT, BBTN are in favor of joba starting.

Remember last year when you said the Yanks pen was god awful, and I disagreed? I then proceeded to offer you a prop bet and of course you wouldn't back up your **** talking. Then of course the Yanks pen goes on to be ridiculously good, and a year later you make fun of me for my predictions.

Oh jesus christ, he said he was going to leave. Why did you ask him more questions?

Also, lolx1000 for you saying we think Joba is elite because of a 95 mph fastball and yet the crux of your argument is that he has better stuff in the bullpen and average stuff as a starter. Then you go on to discount the stats people bring up because of sample size, yet use no stats besides the radar gun for your argument.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/2008.shtml


i mean considering britton, kennedy, hughes, robertson, marte, sanchez were all <avg AND they still had 10 pitchers w >100 era+ not only means their bullpen was fine last year but it bodes well for the future too. i don't see how this doesn't make things clear for you tercet but w/e agree to disagree i suppose

I sent in an article to baseball prospectus regarding pitching bullpen's for their version of what they call "American Idol" for prospective writers.

If they publish my article I'll let you guys know =]

Otherwise ill post it here in a few days if I don't make it.

plz god can we not fail late in a game one ****ing time

let's go Teix!!!

ugh, come on. summer can't start soon enough for this guy.

Tercet, you should probably learn how to use apostrophes correctly if you want to be a professional writer.

i would say learn "the fine fact's of" writing, but that's only because i am feeling like trolling the trolls today.

John Kruk doesn't understand how Joba is helping the team by only throwing 6 innings and striking out 12 men. If Joba were in the bullpen, he could have pitched the 8th and kept the game within 3 runs. Just something to think about.

BOOOOOOOO

BUGS!

The problem is I've never seen any semblance of a good argument presented by the Joba-to-the-bullpen guys. I hate group-think as much as anyone and I'd love to see a good argument. Some possibilities:

(1) Attack the methodology of computing value over replacement for relievers. Good chance there is something there.
(2) Note that regular season wins don't mean much for a team like the Yankees, who will usually make the playoffs anyway. Then show that the bullpen is a much larger factor in the playoffs than in the regular season (I think BP has begun to do some rudimentary stuff on this but there is room for more), and the value of non-#1 starters diminishes especially relative to the pen.
(3) Wonder what the end-game of this is. Is Joba going to have to be shut down, does this mean he won't pitch the playoffs? So we build up his innings over the next two years, so by the time he's of any use we have to pay him a gazillion dollars? But paying a gazillion dollars for a good player is EV-neutral, you could always just find another good player.

But all I see instead of cogent arguments is silly ones.