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12-22-2009 , 08:57 PM

#12501

Karak

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rofl @ Agame all of a sudden wanting to put PA limitations on the bet

doesnt that defeat the entire purpose of your argument?

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12-22-2009 , 09:01 PM

#12502

AGame18

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no limitations

were doing vorp

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12-22-2009 , 09:08 PM

#12503

Karak

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i know

you still asked for it before and it still made me lol

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12-22-2009 , 09:11 PM

#12504

AGame18

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i bet a lot of things make you lol

looking in the mirror likely on the list

EDIT: I also didnt ask for limitations but for minimums, in case we were doing some stat/stats that would be affected by less playing time

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12-22-2009 , 09:22 PM

#12505

THAY3R

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Originally Posted by AGame18

EDIT: I also didnt ask for limitations but for minimums, in case we were doing some stat/stats that would be affected by less playing time

Why would you ask this considering you think Matsui will be more durable? Also VORP is affected by less playing time.

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12-22-2009 , 09:32 PM

#12506

AGame18

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in other words, lets say we were just doing something simple like OBP, i wouldnt want nick johnson to be able to play half a season and have a 440 obp when he just ran good and matsui plays the whole yr and his is lower

I just wanted to make sure I wouldn't get screwed if Johnson starts the year red hot and breaks his spine..............vorp protects me on that

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12-22-2009 , 09:37 PM

#12507

Karak

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ill concede that i suppose that makes sense

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12-22-2009 , 10:25 PM

#12508

Triumph36

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obviously rate stats make no sense, i'm with agame here

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12-22-2009 , 10:37 PM

#12509

phils08

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i hate all of you, but this trade is an obv win for the yankees imo. I havent been reading the thread since the trade, you guys likey?

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12-23-2009 , 01:18 AM

#12510

Rubeskies

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Originally Posted by phils08

i hate all of you, but this trade is an obv win for the yankees imo. I havent been reading the thread since the trade, you guys likey?

we likey

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12-23-2009 , 02:57 AM

#12511

jtg51

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So I guess Gardner is going to be the left fielder? I'd be absolutely fine with him playing every day if he can put up a .350 OBP and steal 50 bases, but I have my doubts.

If you believe Cashman about the payroll, and I do, they only have a couple million more to spend. Maybe they'll bring back Nady? Not the best solution, but it would be nice to have a fourth outfielder who can hit LHP. Assuming he can still throw well enough to play the field.

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12-23-2009 , 03:17 AM

#12512

Karak

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derosa 3 years 15 mil you heard it here first

Last edited by Karak; 12-23-2009 at 03:18 AM. Reason: prob more like 3-18

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12-23-2009 , 03:35 AM

#12513

jtg51

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It's only 1,600 innings, but I was just very surprised to see DeRosa's UZR/150 in the OF is 15.8. I thought he had a reputation of being able to play every position badly.

Still, three years seems kind of gross.

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12-23-2009 , 03:57 AM

#12514

Karak

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im gunna be a G til i die

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12-23-2009 , 04:18 AM

#12515

shipontilt

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heist of the year getting vasquez for a borderline major leaguer, congrats.

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12-23-2009 , 09:07 AM

#12516

TheUntouchable

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Originally Posted by jtg51

Why not play Gardner in center and Granderson in left?

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12-23-2009 , 09:11 AM

#12517

TheUntouchable

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Originally Posted by shipontilt

heist of the year getting vasquez for a borderline major leaguer, congrats.

Melky isn't a borderline major leaguer. He's a league-average bat and slightly above average fielder in the corner spots. That actually has good value to a team.

They also gave up a promising prospect and someone who could have been their #2 lefty reliever in the majors this year if things worked out. It's a good trade for the Yankees, but it's not even that horrible for the Braves. I don't think it's a heist at all.

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12-23-2009 , 01:51 PM

#12518

Karak

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To honor his moving to the Braves... my favorite Melky moment ever:

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12-23-2009 , 02:08 PM

#12519

THAKID

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Gardner in left sounds horrible... Gardner in CF against LHP and pinch hit for later is cool... He shouldn't be better than a 4th OF for the Yankees... He's just not a major leauge level hitter

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12-23-2009 , 02:18 PM

#12520

Karak

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Here is who I think COULD start in LF next year (not counting Gardner for this list) in order of most likely to least likely:

Mark DeRosa
Johnny Damon
Xavier Nady
Jermaine Dye
Marlon Byrd

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12-23-2009 , 02:19 PM

#12521

TheUntouchable

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Originally Posted by THAKID

Gardner in left sounds horrible... Gardner in CF against LHP and pinch hit for later is cool... He shouldn't be better than a 4th OF for the Yankees... He's just not a major leauge level hitter

He hasn't been a Major League hitter, but when you combine what he does at the plate, with his stolen bases and excellent fielding, his overall contribution to the team makes him a fine player.

He was a more valuable player than Melky last year in way less time.

EDIT: Actually he was a league average hitter last year so I'm not even sure your claim of "he's not a major league hitter" is even correct. I have no problem with him playing full-time in this lineup.

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12-23-2009 , 02:21 PM

#12522

TheUntouchable

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Originally Posted by Karak

Here is who I think COULD start in LF next year (not counting Gardner for this list) in order of most likely to least likely:

Mark DeRosa
Johnny Damon
Xavier Nady
Jermaine Dye
Marlon Byrd

I wouldn't mind any of the top three. I'm kinda just hoping they bring back Damon at this point and hope that 13/year nonsense was just posturing.

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12-23-2009 , 02:33 PM

#12523

THAKID

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Originally Posted by TheUntouchable

I doubt he can keep that .obp..... He looks lost at the plate

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12-23-2009 , 02:36 PM

#12524

owsley

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Sucks to see Melky go. I was in his corner from the start and hoped he would turn into a solid player, I looked at his stats with rose colored glasses always but deep down I kind of knew in all likelihood that he was never going to be good enough to be a starting OF for us. Its ridiculous what they are getting back for him.

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