Yes. Recent performances aside I still trust Niese overall body of work over Colon. Hopefully Matz pitches lights out and we can not have to deal with Colon or Niese.

As far as order of pitchers goes. Degrom/Thor/Harvey or harvey/thor/degrom basically the same to me.

Only thing that kind of a sucks is that the first round has an extra off day where either game 1 or 2 starter could throw game 5 on normal rest.

Terry put on a clinic last night. Hopefully - i pray - that's the end of Parnell and EoF*

what exactly do we owe Bobby Parnell that we have to keep letting him single handedly lose games? B/c he was a decent reliever for a few years? Good in a lost season on one of the many loser Mets teams? No Mets fan cares about Bobby Parnell, it's not like David Wright coming back and going 0-40 yet still starting everyday.

I've been saying it for a while now and my worst fears are coming true - we need them to get this crap out of thier system now while the Nats continue to run away and die.

-Middle relief is garbage - should be better now with Reed and Goeddel... we hope

-Terry is kind of a moron - not excited about watching him make moves in the ****season

-Ruben Tejada is playing like a little leager on cue. You can never convince me he's worth having on the team.

-Niese and Colon will implode. Now to be fair to Bartolo, he's in the midst of one of his good steaks, but I'm terrified of his late Semptember starts, and i don't think he belongs on a ****season roster. Niese is just a dog. During his good run this season, every single one of you were just waiting for the next terrible start. That's 3 in a row. He better shape the F up, b/c he's definitely getting a start in the (blank)

*statistically the worst pitcher in the history of the Mets btw. at least he was 2 outings ago, and it's not like he's gotten any better. chew on that for a second. ~10-12 appearances is a good enough sample size

Terry Collins is an awful manager. Not just kind of a moron.

A few thoughts after last night:

1. The fans booing Parnell last night was nauseating. Why is it so hard for people not to be *******s? Parnell is by all accounts a good guy who has been fighting to overcome injuries. It's not like he's not trying. It's not like he seems not to care. Yeah, he was never a star here -- and I was never a big fan of his flat fastball no matter how hard he threw it -- but must we boo the guy off the mound? Boo Terry. Terry is the dolt that put him out there when he should not have been out there in that situation. Don't boo this guy. We were so great with our treatment of Flores. This is the exact opposite, and it's awful.

2. O'Flaherty has been terrible and can't be on the post-season roster, but I understand why Sandy took a shot with him. They had a need, and before this year he was really good. Didn't work out, oh well, maybe he'll get it together next year. But that experiment needs to end unless they want to use him at meaningless times only and see if a miracle happens.

3. Terry Collins is terrible. Parnell had no business being in that game. I don't want to hear that we're 6.5 up and games are not that important. See, 2007 and 2008. Every game is important. Win the damn division and then you can put Doug Sisk out there for all I care. I understand why he got Parnell up 6-0, but when you make it 6-4 and you've got all the momentum against a team you own and had big comebacks against the week before, and the team you're fighting can't stop crapping the bed ... "you play to win the game".

4. I dislike Ruben Tejada as a player. His at bats stink, he fielding is sub-par, and he gives off this vibe to me that he doesn't really care that much.

5. Until recently, Jon Niese had been really good. I'm not ready to flush him out of the post-season rotation yet in place of Colon, who until recently had been generally really bad. Besides, I think you need to know who you're playing and figure out how many lefties you want to throw at them. I don't think you can set the rotation in a vacuum.

Yeah, I feel that Parnell has earned some room for error. He's a home grown player who's been here for a while, been good at times, and isn't holding the payroll hostage. The way the fans treated the guy last night was embarrassing. He's just coming off TJ surgery. They're not all Matt Harvey and he was put in a situation he shouldn't have been in by one of the 20 or so incompetent managers in major league baseball. I know people who know him and he is a good guy. Deserved better.

I don't understand why they keep saying O'Flaherty can get out lefties, but we keep seeing him against righties. With 100 guys on the roster now was there any reason to think the Phillies wouldn't PH there?

I think Niese gets the benefit of the doubt over Colon all other things equal because he's a lefty plus Colon has relief experience and would probably be more comfortable in that rolll, especially with Niese having shoulder issues that take him longer to warm up.

PS - I still like the piggy back idea. Pitch 2 starters 3 to 5 innings each game. Can bring them back every 4th day instead of 5th then too.

Ruben Tejada: Crusher of HRs!

Harvey overrated

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i dont think eric young can be on the post season roster unless there are injuries

he is the 15th hitter or 16th hitter behind
Duda
murphy
johnson
flores
tejada
wright
urbibe
cespedes
granderson
cuddyer
conforto
lagares
d'arnaud
plawecki/recker

eric young jr

eric young is 15th assuming they carry 2 catchers

who do you think they are leaving off?

pitching:

harvery degrom syndergard matz colon niese
familia clippard reed gilmartin

makes 10 pitchers. you know they will carry 11 or 12
godell

robles
verrett

carlos torress

parnell
oflarrety


i think verett has a good chance of making the roster
and one of godell and robles

if they leave colon off the roster they can go with 11 i suppose

i hope they use niese as the lefty specialist whether he likes it or not

but really my point it:

i really doubt EYJ makes the roster

the booing was more a signal to Terry,

Parnell should have never been in that situation. the fans needs to boo to let terry know that it was unacceptable

and right as we speak

great baserunning ****ing eric young jr

oh

and blevins claim he will be ready at some point in the post season take that for what it is worth

I hate to say it, but maybe Lagares or Flores? A couple of those RH infield guys might be redundant. I guess it depends on the makeup of the starting staff of the opposing team? They might be able to get away with 10 pitchers in a 5 game series, especially if you're carrying all 6 starters. Lot of different ways it can go, but he fills a certain important post-season need that nobody else really can, so I think they try hard to find a spot for him.

By the way, which one of you bozos said Conforto wasn't ready for the majors yet about a month ago? C'mon, fess up. Has a higher wRC+ than Schwarber now.

there is NO CHANCE that flores doesnt make the roster

i was thinking they would try uribe a little at ss in sept and consider leaving tejada off and playing flores at ss but that wont happen

kelly johnson i supose

but honestly i think they are gonna carry 14 hitters and eyj isnt one of them

if duda doesnt come back then yes eyj will make it

lagares could be left off if we want to keep young i suppose. but wow. granderson cespedes and conforto/cuddyer are your starters.

i mean its all a good problem to have

i was one who felt he should stay down longer. he has been excellent no argument there. i wanted to make sure cuddyer got abs because i was one of the few who felt he would bounce back

the way things are like i said id love duda to stay on the DL and use murphy and cuddyer at 1b

the rules are weird too

he wasnt activated until sept 1 so cant really be on the post season roster unless someone goes on the dl i think?

its fuzzy

Think they put him on the 40 man before that though. Removes somebody (Muno?).

yeah i guess that;s allowed.


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Phillies announcers going nuts over Cespedes showboating. "kids at home, if you hit a ball that far, don't act like that. he's going to get one of his teammates hurt."

any player on 40 man roster is eligible for post season provided they are on the roster by midnight august 31. they don't have to be on active roster by Aug 31.

yeah it never used to be that way

Murphy has minor quad discomfort. Team isn't worried. That likely means his Met career is over.

You mean like how Ryan Howard would stand at home plate admiring his home runs all those years? Or Jimmy Rollins? Philly broadcasters are the nut low.

Last year for the NLDS each team carried 12 pitchers and 13 hitters. I've of course not had much reason over the past few years to pay too close attention to the details of the post-season, so color me surprised that for a short series teams carry 12 pitchers.

right

and for eric young to make it with 12 pitchers, 2 of lagares johnson urbibe flores would have to left off (unless someone is on the dl [murphy, duda[

Mets are constructed a little differently though, where they have quality starters they'd probably use for multiple innings in relief than middle relievers and matchup guys they'd trust, so they could carry fewer pitchers. You're not bringing Colon and whoever the other ousted starter is for a batter or two.

Harvey, deGrom, Syndegaard, Niese, Matz, Familia, Clippard, Reed, Gilmartin, Colon is 10. I am going to guess that of these they consider Colon plus whichever starter doesn't make the rotation as the potential long men. Do they need to take a Goeddel or Verrett too? I don't see them taking both. And there's no chance in hell that O'Flaherty, Parnell, or Carlos Torres makes it. I doubt Robles makes it.

You're right though, with 11 pitchers it looks like they are at 25. I would be really surprised if Lagares was not on the roster, if just for defense. Tejada is a shoo-in for the same reason. It looks like you have to take Kelly Johnson or the only lefty on the bench could be Conforto, unless they decide that Murphy is their key guy off the bench and the infield is set as Duda-Flores-Tejada-Wright, which I guess is possible. Then you don't need Kelly Johnson. And I can't believe they would not put Conforto on the roster.

colon pitched an inning on saturday

and niese or matz certainly would be used as a LEFTY specialist

and all year they have carried 12-13 pitchers and they are skipping harvey again and want him at 180 for the season and have said around 200 total

so really harvey and syndegaard are go9ing 5 or 6 if they even start