A proposed trade between the Knicks and Rockets is losing steam, according to a person familiar with the talks.

"It's less likely than it was on Monday," said the source. "But you never know."
Multiple sources claim that Walsh has no intention of trading Jordan Hill.

"Donnie is not giving up on Jordan," said one Knicks source. "He told me he's not trading him."

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv..._to_deal_hill/


Guess this trade isnt gonna happen. Frankly I think it should, and if we can trade robinson for a first rd pick, and only lose 1 pick at the chance for 2 max contracts, how do we not go for it? Sure its a longshot, but we've gone this far, if we're gonna be insubordinate we might as well go full nine, not pussy out when it comes to giving free **** to drink? ****ing ay. (brownie points if you know the quote!)

Plus, who wouldn't want to see Tracy McGrady light it up at MSG for at least half a season. He's 30 years old, it's not like he can't score the ball anymore. even if we lost out at lebron we could sign tracy for one year and try again with someone else.

Don't understand why so many are against this from happening.

Giving up a lottery pick and more future first rounders was an Isiah move. Alot of us are also becoming more realistic in what's going to happen this summer and overall it doesn't seem very good. Keeping a youth core intact is pretty vital at this point.

and what exactly has transpired in the past few days/weeks/months to make you think we are less likely to land Lebron then we were when everyone was posting pictures of Lebron in knicks jerseys all those pages ago?

Also the youth core argument is not too good, we can just resign Lee with the extra money to replace Hill. And if we can complete the Nate deal and get back a first round pick, we've only lost ONE (possibly late first round pick). There wont be a substantially worse "youth core" even if this deal happens and we don't get lebron.

Even if it is a longshot, how is it one not worth taking at this point?

Newsday says Nate is gone to Celtics, perhaps for House and a second-round pick.

sigh

I'm really not sure why all you guys are against this trade for T-Mac. Seems like a no-brainer as long as the knicks have a decent amount of protection on the draft selections. Obviously the deal is horrible if the picks are not protected at all.

But I have some level of confidence that Walsh is not as ******ed as Thomas and will get lottery protection on the picks.

Look. If you're so smart with your "realistic" predictions of doom, you have a ton of money to be made. I'm sure you can get takers in this forum and elsewhere if you lay 10:1 on LeBron not coming. Here's a helpful hint though: online sports books have it at 2:1, and they're not in the business of letting people make good bets against them.

So we're talking about a 1/3 chance (if T-Mac happens, meaning an extra max contract or just better cheaper players of LeBron's choosing) of having the best team in the league for 5 years, maybe 10. Guy who's written two books on LeBron calls the Knicks opening up that space a "gamechanger", but we'll call that mostly a wash because of the Cavs possibly improving as well.

I agree that we are dogs to sign any of the big 3. But again, if we do it's a home run with the possibility of the biggest grand slam ever. If we don't get one of them, most of you assume that we'll just overpay for crap and be screwed forever. Why? There are plenty of good combos besides the big 3, the sky would be the limit for sign and trades, and we'd have flexibility for trades involving future draft picks if worst came to worst. Not to mention Curry's money in '11 even if we used everything up this summer.

The 1996 free agency summer worked out pretty well for the Knicks even though they didn't land one of the most coveted few. And we had 3, count 'em, 3 of those precious first-round picks that year too - how'd those work out?

Because if Donnie Walsh doesn't sign anyone, he'll lose his job.

amen BJ.

also---I LOVE WALTAH

Source?

Either way, I bet 68 year old Walsh is really sweating that one out.

Because Dolan is the most ******ed human being ever, and the new CBA will almost certainly remove tons of cap flexibility.

Imagine you are unemployed. You have tons of debt and tons of bills to pay. You have $100 left to your name. You go down to the store, and spend it all on powerball lotto tickets, hoping that you can luckbox the $500 mil grand prize. Well, that's what the Knicks just did.

I heard the cap is not expected to be lowered much at all now (although once previously thought otherwise)....will try to find proof.

ok ill book 10-1 on lebron coming to the knicks.... I have yes obviously.

name the amt.

anyone you want can escrow

Why the sigh? What's wrong with getting back a draft pick for Nate when we were just going to let him walk after the season anyway? He sucks.

It's a 33.33 (repeating of course)% chance of a grand slam. If you think that's way off, go ahead and make some cash from the bookies and 2p2'ers.

It isn't a 66.6% (jinx) chance of failure either because they don't screw up the next 5 years anywhere near that % of the time.

You're really going out on a limb offering 10-1. You realize that's a 9% chance? You realize that's an incredibly low chance and makes it ******ed for the Knicks to piss away first rounders when there's a 91% chance iyo that they'll suck for those two years. Even the biggest skeptics of LeBron coming here are putting the number at like 20%. Either way it's ******ed to bet on something we have no information about. The only information we do have is that Shaq to LA was pretty much the only time a max FA just walked and went to a different team.

mostly just because all the rumors were we could snake a first rounder out of it, which would help soften the blow of the possible tmac deal with all the first rounders.....i STILL think the knicks should make the deal for reasons stated earlier.

Was hoping for a first-round pick maybe? Might be the case anyway, that's been retracted. But yea, it's basically a free second-round pick (or better).

And don't forget the value of Nate dropping 60 on Bron Bron in the clinching Game 6 in Boston.

i mean, obviously i know thats not a good bet for him to take. i was just showing his stupidity when he is comparing what the knicks are doign to taking the last 100 dollars they have and putting it into a 5HUNDOmillion dollar powerball lottery....

and even if the % of lebron is truly 20ish---the percentage of getting one of lebron, wade, or bosh is higher. ---i can live with a 1/3 shot.

Pretty sure he's just trying to extract a lot of value from etats.

He's responding to that guy who believes the Knicks chances of signing Lebron are similar to that of winning a powerball lottery.

Clearly he's just trying to make a point, ya dig?

Yeah, I was ecstatic about the first-round pick rumors, but those never seemed realistic.

Stop posting the same thing as me 10 seconds earlier plz.

It's probably over 1/3 of those three, plus all other good combinations of the remaining players, plus sign and trades, plus random draft pick trades with the flexibility, etc. etc. I really think we're pretty decent-sized dogs to do something this summer that screws us long-term, and even overpaying some idiots gets us an 8th seed and makes the draft picks less relevant.

Baltimore F Jones.

also, according to realGM, the knicks have reduced their trade offer to houston (not willing to swap first round picks and give up another first rounder) and apparently are still beating Chicago's best offer.

one time!