I wouldn't mind Cowher. Despite the Giants record, they often beat themselves - asides from the recent debacle, the Titans comes to mind, and then they didn't even show up for the second Cowboys game.

I hate saying this because it's often the mantra of bad teams (see Dallas), but I think it's really true - there are few teams with as much potential as NY.

However, doesn't Cowher traditionally use a defensive scheme far different from our current setup?

we dont have the big beefy lineman needed for a 34

and LEAVE TOM ALONE!!

i don't want to switch to a 3-4. hiring a coach who insists on line scheme over another in spite of personnel is a terrible idea (washington).

i don't know about 'not showing up'. i don't know if i buy that. the giants' defense is predicated on getting a very substantial pass rush, if that doesn't happen, they are toast. it's been this way for several years now.

So, who replaces Coughlin for 2011?

Gotta work uphill to keep his job now imo.

NYG is on Bill Cowher's short list of three teams (Houston was another and I think the third was Miami).

NYG is his #1 choice, although I don't know he would be NY's.

Let's go full ****** and promote Kevin Gilbride to head coach.

Let's go Falconsss

This...and Vikes too, just because **** the eagles

Who would be? Gruden? I just hope to God they don't promote from within. I might ditch them if they put in ****ing Kevin Gilbride as the HC. That would be the worst move the Giants made in quite some time.

NONONONO WE NEED THE EAGLES TO WIN

if the eagles lose the bears clinch the 2 seed because of h2h tiebreaker.

We need Chicago to have a reason to play next week vs Green Bay, and will have none if philly loses tomorrow night.

So we actually have to root for philadelphia

ahh ok, i was going thru the espn playoff simulator and didn't catch that, TY.

god ****ing damnit, i've had to root for the Pats (my least favorite team of any sport) twice!, the cowboys and now the eagles all in the last few weeks bc of giants playoff implications...FML

Let's hope the Packers somehow lose to the Bears reserve team.

I don't know, but the prospect of moving to a 3-4 might not sit well w/everyone in the organization.

firing coughlin here would be so foolish =/ the team is competitive year in and year out i dont know what else you could ask for from a HC not named bill belichik.. eli is coming into the prime of his career now i think stability n continuity > any kind of knee jerk regime changing.. its not like theres a ton of quality HCs out there, the only HC thats prolly +ev over coughlin is cowher (gruden can kma) and his scheme change will prob screw the defense for at least a couple years.

If Coughlin can't get the Giants to the playoffs, he should be fired. They have all the tools to be an elite team, but they can't quite get over the top. The team always tanks towards the end of the season. They lost two straight in pathetic fashions, allowing a total of 83 points in the two games including 4 touchdowns in 7 minutes to blow their lead against the Eagles. They had a shot in 2009 and lost the last two games, allowing 40 or more points in each of them. Even in 2008 when they made the playoffs, they lost 3 of their last 4 games and then lost against at the Eagles in their first playoff game. Their 2007 Super Bowl season is no exception either. They started off 6-2 and played .500 ball in the second half, which was just enough to slip in as a wild card team. In 2006, the Giants started off hot but went 2-6 in the second half of the season and barely made the playoffs. Go back to 2004 and they started off 4-1, only to go 2-9 the rest of the way.

The Giants are just a team that starts hot and then tries to coast to the playoffs from there in. That is not how a team should be run. A good head coach should be capable of motivating his players game in and game out to go for the win. Aside from the 2005 outlier, Coughlin has not been able to do that.

I don't know what anyone could do to get Bradshaw to stop fumbling and eli to stop throwing interceptions.

But then again the special teams have been very good at failing.

You really believe they have "all the tools to be an elite team"?

Before the season started, what record did you think the Giants would finish with?

In this league, like all other sports, you need superstars. Giants don't have any. Our best player is probably Nicks, and while he's definitely #1 WR material he's not a clear top 10 guy or anything. The only other guy who "might" qualify as a star is Justin Tuck, and as good as he is he's not so good that he can single handedly change the game or something. He's not a superstar.

If you listed the 50 best NFL players of all positions combined, how many would be NYG?

NFL isn't a superstar league. Giants would have guys near the top of their position all over the roster. It is a well constructed team that has underachieved for three years now.

I wouldn't have an issue with TC coming back but if the argument to bring him back is that the team isn't talented enough than you are way off base.

he's just saying that every Elite team in the league has some sort of Elite player---I agree with agame and disagree with you that NFL isn't a superstar league.

Is it really just coincidence that every single "elite" team in the NFL this year has one or more "elite" player(s)?

The giants have 0 of these.

Wow I don't think I could disagree with this post any more than I do. As to Nicks, for example, do you recall that there were many who, in the middle of the season, were calling him the #1 receiver in the league? Oh and what Franchise said too.

The team certainly has its weaknesses -- special teams obviously (except FG kicking) and linebacking -- but this is a team that really shouldn't be struggling year after year to make or succeed in the playoffs. At least some of this, though, has to do with the plague of injuries this team suffers every damn season to its best players, so I'm not sure how much of the blame really rests with bad head coaching.

nvm

Those people were not even close to being correct.

Are you for serious? Even if he has the talent to someday be the #1 WR (I doubt he'll ever be the consensus #1 or top 3 for that matter) he certainly isn't anywhere close now. His potential to get better doesn't matter either because I am speaking about this season. How much better he can get if at all doesn't help the Giants for this season. I could easily name 5-15 WR's who I'd rather have over him anird that's not a knock on him he's just young and there's a lot of good ones out there. I'm sure if you posted in a general NFL thread in SE the consensus would be he's somewhere between 8-20 or so.

NFL definitely is a superstar league. Just because the NBA is more of a superstar league doesn't mean the NFL isn't one. And in any event, I don't believe that we have guys near the top of their position all over the roster. If you believe this, give specific examples. And it should be consensus guys. Saying Kenny Phillips has the potential to be a top Safety is bs because he surely hasn't played like it this year and no poll of top football analysts would call him a top safety right now. List me guys who the consensus would agree is a top option right now at the position on the Giants.

NFL is a QB league. Which is different than the multi position superstar league you are implying exists and is what fuels championship contenders.