KB4Z,

Lets place a bet that closing line of NE/GB super bowl will be > 2 points?

There's just no edge/ reason for me to bet that. It will be around there.

I will certainly wager with anyone who thinks pats would be dogs at Baltimore or Pittsburgh

At what line would you be willing to bet?

I'll think about that. Heading to bed now

Anyone else see Steve Wynn in the owner's suite next to Kraft on the Broadcast?

Kraft, Wynn face long drive with casino plan

Yes, I'm trying to steer this thread away from the same "this defense can't win in the playoffs" discussion we've had since week eight and back towards Massachusetts casino politics.

OMG, Salva, are you and Toro a tagteam?

I'll take the Pats in a last-longer bet vs any AFC team you can name. Loser has to bear an embarrassing undertitle 'till next season.

Pats will not be dogs again the rest of the year, unless they meet an undefeated GB in the SB. I was shocked when the Pats were dogs @NYJ a few weeks ago, and the books got creamed (line was bet down to pick'em, NE wins by 21 or so). They won't make that mistake again. No way you're going to see Joe Flacco laying points to Tom Brady! I make it NE -2 or -3 @PIT or @BAL.
I guess you're a "glass is half-empty" kind of guy? New England has won their last four games by a combined SEVENTY-SEVEN POINTS. That may not mean much to you, but the oddsmakers notice things like that.

I think the Pack is -3 if they're still undefeated. If they're not, I think the Patriots might be -3. It should be closer to pick'em either way, but the SB line is always inflated.

And the Pats were 20.5 favorites and won by 7. What's your point? My opinion is that PIT > BAL > NE after watching most of their games.

A tag team no holds barred wrestling match of Salva/Toro vs YTF/Goodie: That could be fun.

Yeah, no thanks on that. Any thoughts on the Price release? The Pats continue to fail hard at drafting and developing WRs (among other positions).

I heard a caller on Toucher and Rich call up this morning with the opinion that BB has run his course in New England and it's time for a change. He was absolutely serious.

Just thought I'd share. That has to be the most ******ed call I've ever heard on sports radio.

I guess Im just not seeing the Steelers or Ravens as juggernauts. Pittsburgh was life and death with Tyler Palko 8 days ago and the Ravens laid an absolute egg in Seattle three weeks ago. None of these teams are perfect, and a bad garbage time quarter isnt really enough for me to put the Pats squarely behind both of those teams. Id feel comfortable betting on the Pats as small favorites at home against both. Id bet they're 1 to 2 point dogs on the road against Balt/Pitt

Price's release sucks, but the writing was on the wall there when Underwood got playing time over him last week. Price miss, McCourty regression, and Jermaine Cunningham seemingly busting out are all frustrating. Overall, the 2010 draft was still very productve and they got Love and Fletcher as UDFA as well.

Price release is surprising after the pre season he had which points out how meaningless preseason games are. Was his problem injuries that kept him off the field or just didnt show enough in practice? It seems like he was never given a real opportunity but in Bill we Trust.

"pretty clearly the 3rd best team in the afc"

i mean.....i don't even....

worst case scenario, it's super close. but they are not "pretty clearly" behind the steelers and ravens. you're just flat out incorrect if you think so.

Salva, serious question. What do you think is good in regards to the Patriots?

What kind of question is that? Would it make you feel better if I gushed on and on about Brady, Welker, Gronkowski, etc? I know what's good about the Pats, but there's not much to talk about in that regard. Discussing why the Pats haven't successfully developed a good WR since Branch in 2002, however, is an interesting thing to discuss and try to understand, imo.

It seemed pretty obvious that things were bad when Underwood got on the field against the Eagles over Price (who was the ONLY active player to not get a snap that game). I just wonder how he could have been so poor in practice as to not even get a shot in real game action. I hear a lot of talk about guys not having Brady's trust, or being able to function in NE's highly complex offense, but how much of that is true? Welker, Moss, and Stallworth all came in and picked things up just fine, and Branch came back without missing a beat. What makes these guys particularly special?

And I can't think of anyone who's been drafted and cut by the Pats and done anything special elsewhere. As far as I know Chad Jackson is selling insurance. It just seems mostly to be a talent evaluation issue, much the same as it is for the DB positions. And I don't know if it's BB, Caserio, or what.

Well we can play semantics but after watching games from all three teams recently it's my opinion that the Steelers and Ravens are better teams right now. If you want to say "it's close," then go ahead. As I said above, they would be dogs on the road and small faves at home. Chim agrees and so would most outside of this STT.

fyp. i mean come on Chim didnt even think Tebow would be GOAT. and how much info did u get exactly from watching the steelers play KC?

I would love to place a wager with you one these lines

Pats will be at least -4 at home in playoffs vs either Balt or Pitt
Pats will NOT be underdogs on road vs either team

interested?

You don't have to gush on and on. One positive comment just so I know you actually like this team would suffice. You're constant complaining just gets old after a while.

actually, chim said they'd be small dogs both on the road and at home, which implies he thinks they are near dead even. It also may be "your opinion" but your opinion is pretty worthless, and the betting lines will undoubtedly have NE as favorites over both Baltimore and Pitt on a neutral field. Regardless, you call it semantics, I call a statement such as "clearly 3rd best team" as being absolute dreck.

To clarify my stance..

1. I would not be a winning sports bettor I'm quite sure if I bet.
2. NE is better, and would probably be a bigger favorite at home than they would be dogs on the road.
3. Tebow is clearly GOAT already and I was wrong, NE should be like 7 point dogs @ Mile High
4. I do think they'd be small dogs on the road @ BAL, but I could be wrong.
5. I still would like to bet they'd be > 2 point dogs vs GB in the Super Bowl.

Food for thought.

Cliffs?

its about gambling, a sharp marketplace, and football and you want cliffs? read it, its great.

cliffs though:

salva has no idea what hes talking about.

the efficient marketplace has NE as a few notches better than both PIT and BAL, advanced NFL stats has NE and Pit as interchangeable and both clearly better than BAL...FO has NE better than both of them by a small amount.

even a simple look at point differential has NE looking better....yet, apparently salva watched the games more intently than people who bet sports for a living so hes probably right.