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12-18-2017 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bottomset
6 would have been reasonably fair, ffs he elbowed the back of a guys head while he was on the ground, he should have to beg to play in the league again and it shouldn't have been this year.

All the sport leagues are way too soft on intentional injury plays, like Utley breaking that SS leg the standard should be full season suspensions.

Of course he is back for the big game and has a monster game winning performance, just a joke all around.
a few things...

- even legal football plays are brutal. saying he "tried to hurt him" is very iffy. he certainly tried to hit him hard. but was his goal to give him a concussion? I really doubt that. and again, there is a grey area there in a sport where the goal of so many interactions is to completely cream the guy in front of you. yes, this was after the whistle, so it was wrong etc etc
- precedent matters. if you want to argue Gronk should have been given 6 games, ok, but the league would only have 20 guys left if this is your standard penalty. if that's worth 6 games then most personal fouls are worth a couple games.
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12-18-2017 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod
a few things...

- even legal football plays are brutal. saying he "tried to hurt him" is very iffy. he certainly tried to hit him hard. but was his goal to give him a concussion? I really doubt that. and again, there is a grey area there in a sport where the goal of so many interactions is to completely cream the guy in front of you. yes, this was after the whistle, so it was wrong etc etc
- precedent matters. if you want to argue Gronk should have been given 6 games, ok, but the league would only have 20 guys left if this is your standard penalty. if that's worth 6 games then most personal fouls are worth a couple games.
You are grossly downplaying it by saying that there would be 30+ suspensions per team on infractions on this level. Is there more than 1 personal foul per game on average?

It's far worse than the majority of personal fouls as well. Football injuries are a fundamental part of the game, but this wasn't a football play. It was a 270lb man jumping on the back of a guys neck.

I get the precedent argument and wouldn't actually suspend him for the season though he obviously deserved 2 and Utley deserved a 50+ game suspension for that bull**** slide. Baseball could fix that rule in the offseason, new standard you slide in like that you are done for the year and maybe 1 guy does it and its completely out of the game.

Football would have a tougher time setting rules, but after the whistle intentional injuries(Haynesworth stomp comes to mind, he got 5) should be severely punished.
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12-18-2017 , 12:00 PM
again, I don't nec. disagree with you, but Gronk getting 2 games (nevermind 6) would have been way out of bounds compared to similar plays. it being a "football play" or not is noteworthy, sure, but that isn't the ONLY thing to consider.

here is the Alonso hit on Flacco which is a football play but super dangerous. he is flying full speed and tries to knock Flaccos head off. so a more dangerous play, but a football play. how many games is this worth? bc he got 0.





The Haynesworth thing was way worse bc that was blatantly attempt to injure. At least with Gronk you can argue it *could* look like a football play if the guy was in bounds.

you also need to factor in the guy. Gronk is a veteran without a history of doing this stuff, he snapped and that was out of character. he is not Suh.
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12-18-2017 , 10:37 PM
rumor that BB did not trade Jimmy for more to Cleveland because he didn't want to do that to him.
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12-20-2017 , 12:49 AM
How is Gilmore doing? Because my casual fan analysis says "not well", but I don't really know
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12-20-2017 , 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Aidan
How is Gilmore doing? Because my casual fan analysis says "not well", but I don't really know
He actually shows the best season grade in PFF of the entire defense (84.6).
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12-20-2017 , 03:35 PM
Shows what I know!
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12-21-2017 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Aidan
Shows what I know!
No shame in that, I was a bit surprised, too (84.6 is also his best PFF season grade of his career). We always remember when a corner gets beat, but we never remember the games where we never hear his name because the QB never throws his way because he's doing his job.
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12-21-2017 , 10:11 PM
Thing I haven't seen mentioned anywhere: that huge play to JJSS on PIT's final drive, he looked like he ran out of gas at the end of the run--we LITERALLY saw someone hit The Rookie Wall.

All I could think was, "No Patriot would've run out of gas there--Jules or Danny would've found a HIGHER gear, not a lower one!" None of the defenders were stooped over after chasing him down and corralling him!"

That lack of conditioning was just as essential to their loss as the subsequent plays that game.

(Also, nice job by Malcolm making a tackle in-bounds the play before the fake spike!)
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12-24-2017 , 08:32 PM
Jimmy G just clinched us a first round bye.
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12-25-2017 , 09:53 AM
I'm now cheering for the Vikings to make it to the Super Bowl.

What better exclamation point could there be for Brady's 6th ring than to defeat a team that's actually playing at home for the championship.
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12-25-2017 , 09:55 AM
I fkn hate these wins when everybody afterwards only talks about some refs decision.
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12-25-2017 , 10:04 AM
I love all the tears especially when they obviously got the calls right.
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12-26-2017 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Kurn, son of Mogh
I'm now cheering for the Vikings to make it to the Super Bowl.
I'm cheering for the Vikings to WIN the Super Bowl. I live in Minnesota now, and these folks out here are DYING to win SOMETHING. We don't really NEED a 6th one, do we? I mean, it would be nice, but if the Pats came in here and beat the Vikes and crushed the dreams of everyone here...

...I would have to take so much **** from everyone I know out here, as if I had something to do with it!

I'm already in this boat (multiple times):

VIKES FAN: We're going to beat your team in the Super Bowl, and shut you up!

ME: "Shut me up"? I haven't said a word!

VIKES FAN: I know, but it's more fun if we make you the bad guy!

(To be clear a Pats or Vikes win would be terrific--I just don't want them BOTH to make it, ensuring that one will lose that day. Let one get knocked out early, so I can sweat the other.)
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12-26-2017 , 04:38 PM
Pats over Vikings would be the best possible outcome imo.
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12-26-2017 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
I'm cheering for the Vikings to WIN the Super Bowl. I live in Minnesota now, and these folks out here are DYING to win SOMETHING. We don't really NEED a 6th one, do we? I mean, it would be nice, but if the Pats came in here and beat the Vikes and crushed the dreams of everyone here...

...I would have to take so much **** from everyone I know out here, as if I had something to do with it!

I'm already in this boat (multiple times):

VIKES FAN: We're going to beat your team in the Super Bowl, and shut you up!

ME: "Shut me up"? I haven't said a word!

VIKES FAN: I know, but it's more fun if we make you the bad guy!

(To be clear a Pats or Vikes win would be terrific--I just don't want them BOTH to make it, ensuring that one will lose that day. Let one get knocked out early, so I can sweat the other.)
It's way more fun being the bad guy.

I'm much happier being a fan of "The Evil Empire" than I would be were the Pats "Americas Team."
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12-26-2017 , 05:51 PM
Here's my summary of my experience last SB:

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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
I never thought we were drawing dead. I didn't like our chances, of course, but I never "gave up", as a few here were brave enought to admit.

I was at a large party with only three Pats fans, two of which were my gf and I. We had to listen to a LOT of ****-talk for the first three quarters. When we pulled within a TD+2, my buddy started mocking their Dirty Bird dancing, but I did not join in. "Not yet," I told him.

When we tied it, he came over for a high-five. I reluctantly gave him one, but kept my game-face on. "We haven't won anything yet," I reminded him.

Then, when we finally got there, I stood to fully celebrate, to finally do a little Dirty Bird of my own--but I was exhausted! I was numb. It was so unbelievable, it didn't seem real. How I wish I had watched this game with Pats fans, instead of a house-ful of haters.

I can't wait to fire up the DVR for a rewatch that I can ENJOY. Yesterday, I was THIS CLOSE to pulling a Wahlberg and leaving the party early (I don't blame him--getting routed is 1000x worse when YOU THE FAN are getting heckled during it, as I learned yesterday). I guess I can point to that, when folks doubt that I never gave up?

Oh, and I won the pool with a near-perfect prop sheet. Thanks for the $$$, haters!
And these were people who LIKE me! Now imagine the Pats come into THEIR building, and crush their dreams. Remember, Minnesota still has 0 Super Bowl titles, folks are THIRSTY. This town is going bananas this season, the wins keep piling up, the team is very good in all three phases (I'll even call the defense "great"), the head coach is doing a tremendous job (watching them never beat themselves with penalties nor turnovers is very Belichickian).

The home-ice thing as made everyone here even more intense--you should have heard them rooting against Philly last night, who needs a loss to give Minny a chance at the 1-seed, and home-ice throughout. I keep telling them not to worry, Philly is barely scraping by dog-**** teams like NYG and OAK, they're not winning a playoff game...and if they do, you'll have no trouble going into their house and pitching a shutout.

Right now, if I have to attend that party to watch a Vikes-Pats SB, the plan is: backyard wrestling! Before the game, my friend in a Vikes jersey will slam me through a table. I'm hoping that seeing that will diffuse some of hate coming my way. I'm not kidding, I've got the match scripted already, down to the introductions:

ANNOUNCER: Introducing, in the corner to my left, he is accompanied by his manager, Bill Belichick (my buddy wearing a Pats hoodie with sleeves cut off), hailing from Foxboro Massachusetts--

ME: (interrupting) That's "The Fabulous Foxboro Massachusetts!" When you introduce me, it's "The Fabulous Foxboro Massachusetts!"

ANNOUNCER: From The Fabulous Foxboro, Massachusetts...Pat Patriot!

(crowd boos)

ANNOUNCER: And his opponent....from the Fabulous Minneapolis Minnesota....

(crowd goes crazy)

ANNOUNCER: ...Eric "The Red" Gjallerhorn!

(Match will include Patriots cheating--Coach will distract ref while I pull out a foreign object, and will definitely hide it in his hoodie after the fact--and will end with me going through a table. I don't imagine my buddy will be able to lift me, there may be a ladder involved. If any of you know how to gimmick the table so it will break my fall instead of my back, drop me a PM, plz.)
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12-26-2017 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
I'm cheering for the Vikings to WIN the Super Bowl. I live in Minnesota now, and these folks out here are DYING to win SOMETHING. We don't really NEED a 6th one, do we? I mean, it would be nice, but if the Pats came in here and beat the Vikes and crushed the dreams of everyone here...

...I would have to take so much **** from everyone I know out here, as if I had something to do with it!

I'm already in this boat (multiple times):

VIKES FAN: We're going to beat your team in the Super Bowl, and shut you up!

ME: "Shut me up"? I haven't said a word!

VIKES FAN: I know, but it's more fun if we make you the bad guy!

(To be clear a Pats or Vikes win would be terrific--I just don't want them BOTH to make it, ensuring that one will lose that day. Let one get knocked out early, so I can sweat the other.)
Yes.

We need a 6th one.
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12-26-2017 , 09:44 PM
The only way for Brady to get to 8 is to get the 6th first.
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12-28-2017 , 02:53 AM
what if JH is a double agent?
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12-28-2017 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!
what if JH is a double agent?
There's 0% chance of that. He shot his way out of Pittsburgh.

Also, what does he gain from it? Do we honestly think an athlete trying to extend his career would actually make sure the team he's on fails?

Who would paying him to do this? This is the NFL, not some college conference with booster-club slush funds.
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12-30-2017 , 07:00 AM
A friend of mine, who is a fan of a different NFL team, told me this week how much she enjoys watching Patriots games. She says she just *appreciates* watching a good team play well, every single time they take the field. She's gone from a hater to a fan.
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01-01-2018 , 12:36 AM
We get the Saturday game in the Divisional Round!

Against Kansas City, Tennessee, or Buffalo. Any preference here?
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01-01-2018 , 07:29 AM
Umm...Buffalo...

Then Ten. Then KC. Imo
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