If Stevie Johnson could learn to become a productive member, it's actually a signing that I like a lot.
Dude has been giving Revis fits for years -- I guess because he's hilariously unpredictive.

That also counts against him though, because of how the NE offense works with the timing of the routes.

Salva, this back and forth is a good example of why people find you so insufferable. You say "we could have done the $39m", someone tells you why that is such a bad idea with actual examples, and you ignore it. This is why the Felgers of the world appeal to you - they are too lazy and/or stupid to actually do the math, so the simplicity of their arguments is very appealing b/c it's so...simple!

whereas discussing the actual #'s, and the ramifications of those decisions, is much harder. it's 100% fair to say "I think they should have given Revis $39m fully guaranteed or $45m or $60m or whatever it would have taken to outbid the NYJ" - however you ALSO need to acknowledge what that would have meant to the rest of the roster for the foreseeable future. I get that that takes more than 30 seconds to think about, which is the "the cap is crap" is so appealing to talk show hosts and their listeners. but it's incredibly stupid. so you can choose to think that way, but people are going to mock you.

This is the third time you've changed terms. Your word is as dog**** as the rest of your posting commentary, why would anyone act based on it now?

Anyone who chooses to believe "the cap is crap" and not treat the salary cap as a major issue when evaluating player moves is a moron.

No rule against being a moron, but please, if you are going to go this route just STFU, let your betters run the team/discuss the team moves, and just enjoy the ride until the next down year comes and you can dig your pink Red Sox hat out of the bedroom closet in mom's basement.

Also, no, I didn't report you, Im more than happy to just point out the idiocy of your posting. The mods can read your posts and decide if this is the kind of quality they want on their site without my pointing it out.

Also want to add that it's things like Salva/Traids making literally 50% of the posts on the last page of this thread (set to 100 posts per page obv), and then when the mod tells them to tone it down, they proceed to ignore it and make 8 of the next 10 posts.

It's not unlike what happens when I have to scold my toddler, but I assume both of you are old enough to get the hint.

Good lord - I'll get rid of Salva, but in return you people need to stop quoting/responding to Traids. Most of us have him blocked for a reason, troll him in the Jets/General threads if you must, but I have no interest in seeing someone debate Traids on whether or not a 1st round pick is a good price for a $15mm per year running back. Please, stop engaging him.

Salva135, you said the bet was open to anyone - 3 times I've disagreed with Belichick:
1) I hated the Albert Haynesworth trade. I didn't want him at free, he clearly wasn't interested in playing football, so to give up a 5th round pick for him was awful.

2) I hated bringing back Ryan Wendell last year. I just thought he was too small to be a useful interior lineman. He played better than I expected. Hated the Patrick Chung signing as well, he's probably my least liked Patriots player of all time. He, too, played better than I expected.

3) I didn't like how he handled the Brian Waters situation, forcing Waters to sit out a year. Either pay the man more to play in New England (he was set to be incredibly underpaid), or come to an agreement where he can get released/traded. I understand why they did it, don't want to get a rep for caving to player holdouts and didn't want Waters to go to Houston, but this wasn't a typical holdout situation. It was a well respected 35 year old wanting to play closer to home (or, maybe, getting paid enough to ignore that). I thought he should have been more flexible in appreciation for the great (incredibly underpaid) work Waters gave them in 2011. I thought Hardball there was a mistake.

4) Bonus - This one is kind of general - there's no specific disagreement, just his general strategy in not having room on his roster for someone who is a great pass rusher and can't stop the run. I think he has tried too often focused on having players that excel at stopping the run that it hurt the overall defense. He didn't adapt his roster quickly enough to a passing league. There was always room on the roster for a guy that was basically a Designated Pass Rusher, but Belichick was too focused on two way players. I think he started to fix this with adding Mark Anderson and then later Chandler Jones (maybe trying with Derrick Burgess via trade counts, as well).

5) Bonus - they run too much on 2nd and short. Belichick doesn't call the plays, but he sets the strategy. Especially with how good Brady is on short yardage, I'd rather see some aggression on 2nd.

Waters was under contract. Not getting released when he decides not to play for them anymore is reasonable. The Patriots did offer him a raise from 1.4 million to 4 million (source) and I can't imagine they turned down any trade offers for him.

Big 75 will be missed! Thought he was coming back for sure...wish him luck.

Glad he went to Houston and not the Ravens. Easy to root for him in Houston, best of luck Vince.

I really thought we would end up re-signing him. That sucks. Houston has potential to have the best D-Line of all time.

Cant believe my family bought me a Wilfork jersey this past season when so many better options were on the table.

Might post pictures of my Revis jersey all season just to troll Salva.

My Wilfork jersey is one of the best jerseys I own.

If your family had gotten you a used Maroney jersey, I think you'd have had a case!

Maybe we should list our jersey collections for fun

My first Pats jersey ever...I got the old light blue #11 Drew Bledsoe one. I had (literally) retired this jersey to my rafters for years until this past Super Bowl where I figured it was time to knock the dust off and wear it. I go through phases where i hate the color combinations in this jersey, to loving it. This jersey always makes me think of Drew Bledsoe passing to Ben Coates, and the Green Bay super bowl.



Next up for me was a Lawyer Milloy jersey. This one is in the classic colors we know from today's uniform. I loved the presence he brought to our team...great leader.

My third jersey is Bradys. Cant not have the best QB of all times jersey right? This one has gotten the most wear of all of them.

Lastly, this Wilfork one my family got me for Christmas this year. He only stayed on the team for 2 friggin months after I received it, sigh. The good news is I did get to wear it to the AFC Championship game against the Colts this year. What a game!

Is 4 jerseys average? I have no idea.

Pats sign Travaris Cadet to a two year deal

And there's your Vereen clone.

Awesome post, cornboy. I think I said I reserved the right to at least give a response to those points, but I agree with a lot of them. You set our your opinions well. That's way better than simply parroting "In BB we trust."

Think I said a month, so I am honoring it right now. Don't worry, I will be back long before a scrub QB connects on a third and long and 3 Patriots come off the screen to touch him as down.

bye

The only place where BB was never criticized was somewhere deep in Salvas imagination.

Bradley Fletcher signing a one year deal with max of $2.5MM, no details on guaranteed dollars yet. Gave up basically all the yards last year, but was decent in 2013.

I like the Mcclain signing.

Nink restructure is weird, burns about $700K in cap space and makes it harder to cut Nink next year for no real discernible reason besides moving around the timing of cash spending (while increasing the total cash outlay)

Think they just felt he deserved it. If you look at the new vs the old contract they're basically just giving him the money instead of making him earn it through incentives. There's not a huge difference in the max value of the old contract vs the new one.

I was wondering if he went quietly to the Pats and said he was going to retire if they didn't give him a bump.

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I love this pic from the Super Bowl! It really shows just how big of a comeback we had.

Yup, you were right, 1 year/2.2 million. Pats really must not have liked fit or really don't want to pay RBs.

WRT Nink, I read an article that says his pay increase pays him slightly more than Sheard and was possibly the reason behind it.