I know you agree with most of this, but its so lol to read, you'd think the Pats were coming of a 5-11 year with lots of disappointing player performances.

What can you rationally say to an analysis that presents the team as flailing around, calls to fix the ills of a team that went to the conference title game while ravaged by injury, and somehow thinks the team isnt maximizing Brady's window by putting an uber competitive team on the field every season.

I guess its a much smarter strategy to just load up and go for the mythical fourth ring in one specific year in a sport with single elimination playoffs and load of injuries to increase variance GMAFB. Surely would have been an awesome strategy for '13 given all the injuries.

Pats probably wont win the Super Bowl this year either, should get a head start on whining about 2015 I guess. Let me see if Im doing this right.

I will have finally reached my limit with this front office if they don't re up Shane Vereen. I dont know what contract he might be offered or whether its reasonable or not, but I WILL hold my breath and stomp my feet because Brady didnt win a fourth ring and the Pats only won 12 games and lost the Super Bowl this season. Dont they realize if they just RECOGNIZED BRADYS HISTORICAL WINDOW they could ignore the salary cap, sign all the good players, and guarantee a fourth ring? NOW WE MIGHT LOSE TO THE JETS NEXT YEAR WILL HORRORS NEVER CEASE

No heart, no respect for your own team. Just a bandwagon loser, just like we all knew. Be gone.

You nuts I was, and always will be all about NYJ,I was the ONLY one on here saying we had a shot to win 8-10 games and I was laughed up and down. Never gave up. Alwyas thought we had a shot...(Which at times you would berate my posts) So stop now you just soundin weak.

Get over yourself boss.

Back on ignore you go...Too nitty.

Laterzzz, Backto football talk. No1 wants to keep reading nonsense. Ireally dont wanna keep this bickering with you, but you just dont stop....Sorry man

NE cap would of been kinda strapped this offseaon but with the latest rreports of the cap rising from 123M to 130M the dead money from AH release would basically cancel out right? Still sucks but still getting 7M bump.

Absolute lie. You posted nonsense everywhere when the Jets were in the hunt then disappeared when they started losing. Slanked away as the season fell apart like a bandwagon bitch and didnt post a word.

Wont even take a bet where Im giving you 2 wins over a 16 game season. Dont think the Jets can even stay within two games of the Pats? loooooooooooooooooooooooooool. What a PATHETIC franchise.

No HEART, no self-respect, just a bandwagon no-nothing. Be gone.

Yeah for sure. But I was commenting on the slanking bitch comment!

Everyone agrees with that.

This team going 12-4 to the AFCCG is a testament to BB's coaching and Brady's veteran QB presence. Without them, on paper this is a 6-10 team. What they did this year was an absolute miracle and took a few miracle finishes and miracle fails on the part of other teams to get there.

The Pats are a team right now built on the coaching of BB and Brady's ability to keep his team in the game. How many more years can they prop up bad rosters to the AFCCG or the Super Bowl?

Kraft doesn't want to go "all-in" for Brady and his window. When Brady becomes mortal and/or retires, this will be a different thread. Pats fans have first-world problems now and have for almost a decade and a half. Let's see how we all act when we have to deal with years of third-world issues like every other team.

Ha ha wow.

First off, are you talking about the roster before or after injuries and murder depleted it? If they had fewer injuries they probably would have gotten home field and would have had a great chance to make it to the SB. As it was they fell one game short. Boo hoo.

Secondly, even though of course BB and Brady were hugely important to the success they had this year despite all the problems, the season was also a testament to BB's philosophy of having a deep roster versus "loading up."

Thirdly, lolz Salva. You're turning into a caricature..... Of yourself.

Someone either missed a morning nap or lost his blankie. Have a sippy cup full of milk, watch some Sesame Street, and calm down.

Last years injuries aside, giant lol at the '11 or '12 teams being bad rosters. HOW CAN YOU NOT SUPPORT BRADY ONLY GIVING HIM A GOOD OL AND GRONK. HERNANDEZ, WELKER, LLOYD, RIDLEY, WOODHEAD, AND VEREEN AS SKILL PLAYERS FOR SUPPORT. PATS CLEARLY DISRESPECTED BRADY

Sure you wanna do whatever it takes since Brady prob has 1 more elite year left if last season wasn't his last elite caliber season. Since he did show signs of decline. Sure he had no offense at times but I could be wrong but I think this season was statistically his worst since rookie year? IDK if I read that somewhere, again I could be wrong....Brady did look like an aging QB on decline in the AFCCG. The offense just wasn't flowin'

But as to just not caring and going all out and signing anyone to win this year would be too risky since you could alter and jeopardize the future just to "try" to win in 14' and when it doesn't happen, sh*t would hit the fan and screw up the cap.

*And you will lose to the Jets next year LOL.... Cant wait.

You guys should def treasure these years because its rare for a team to be as dominate as NE has been. You fans have been very lucky. Not just NFL, but MLB, NBA, NHL also LOL. (Spoiled, spoiled, spoiled! JK) (Im Jealous!), But yea you guys are lucky. I'm yet to see a championship in NFL (Jets) or MLB (Mets). As are many, many sports fans throughout the US.

As for Kraft he should consider making "SMART" moves to try to win that 4th ring as you guys say for Brady before he retires/declines due to age. But again moves that wont jeopardize the cap for years to come. #Raiders! LOL

IMO this is his last season where he will be like a top top elite QB then after he will show signs of his age, so Kraft if he was smart would do more than normal to win in 14', because who knows after Brady it could be decades to get to where NE has been....Ya never know. Good Luck....Not!

Which is a better team 3 years from now (Expecting Brady retires) Pats or Jets? Seriously....

Pats were one of NFL's youngest in 13' right?

Jets are young and have nice young core talent on defense....

You guys got Mallet whose prob better than Geno LOL.

Speaking of Mallet, you guys think he is the next QB for NE? I cant see him sitting another 2 years....Dude is gonna be like 28 before he starts if that's the case. His career would be like 2/3 over by then and would hurt him getting his big contract. I think he gets traded this offseason. He prob wants out if he doesn't play this year, which isn't happening obviously.

Sure you wanna do whatever it takes since Brady prob has 1 more elite year left if last season wasn't his last. Since he did show signs of decline. Sure he had no offense at times but I could be wrong but I think this season was statistically his worst since rookie year? IDK if I read that somewhere, again I could be wrong....Brady did look like an aging QB on decline in the AFCCG.

But as to just not caring and going all out and signing anyone to win this year would be too risky since you could alter and jeopardize the future just to "try" to win in 14' and when it doesn't happen, sh*t would hit the fan and screw up the cap.

*And you will lose to the Jets next year LOL.... Cant wait.

You guys should def treasure these years because its rare for a team to be as dominate as NE has been. You fans have been very lucky. Not just NFL, but MLB, NBA, NHL also LOL. (Spoiled, spoiled, spoiled! JK) (Im Jealous!), But yea you guys are lucky. I'm yet to see a championship in NFL (Jets) or MLB (Mets). As are many, many sports fans throughout the US.

As for Kraft he should consider making "SMART" moves to try to win that 4th ring as you guys say for Brady before he retires/declines due to age. But again moves that wont jeopardize the cap for years to come. #Raiders! LOL

IMO this is his last season where he will be like a top top elite QB then after he will show signs of his age, so Kraft if he was smart would do more than normal to win in 14', because who knows after Brady it could be decades to get to where NE has been....Ya never know. Good Luck....Not!

Which is a better team 3 years from now (Expecting Brady retires) Pats or Jets? Seriously....

Pats were one of NFL's youngest in 13' right?

Jets are young and have nice young core talent on defense....

You guys got Mallet whose prob better than Geno LOL.

Speaking of Mallet, you guys think he is the next QB for NE? I cant see him sitting another 2 years....Dude is gonna be like 28 before he starts if that's the case. His career would be like 2/3 over by then and would hurt him getting his big contract. I think he gets traded this offseason. He prob wants out if he doesn't play this year, which isnt happening obviously.

Lol at racist, slanking, no heart posters spamming this thread. Post once FFS.

Wont even take the Jets +2 wins next year looooooooooooooooooooooooooooool so pathetic. Im sure you'll pull the bandwagon fraud move of disappearing during the first losing streak just like last season.

I still believe we let Talib and Edelman walk, play it low-key in FA, and use the draft mostly to shore up the interior lines on both sides. We will go into next season hoping Brady can make it work with Dobson and Amendola, and that a defense without Talib can stay off the field. Our season will rest on a healthy Gronk. Would anyone be shocked by this?

Salva you talk like the team that ended the season was the team they built to start the season.

The D was legit for the first 4-5 games until the injuries were too much to overcome. They could get to the QB, stop the run and with Talib healthy they were great against the pass.

As far as the Offense, your earlier post about Brady looking at his sideline and Edelman being his only weapon is just stupid. If things went as planned Edelman would have been riding the bench for the AFCCG. They had the pieces to surround Brady, some didnt make it to week 1 because of circumstances out of their control, others didnt survive the year.

I think they Tag Talib if they dont work out a deal and Edelman probly walks and im ok with that. I love Edelman but I think a big reason of him being Pats top #1 WR last year was that he was the only one healthy, and health isnt something Edelman has thrived at over the years.

If they get him back on a reasonable deal (which likely wont happen) then im good with that. As of now i would prefer them to spend that money elsewhere on offense. Notably TE

I'd be surprised if they tagged Talib. Too big a cap number.

If they added someone like Scott Chandler, Emmanuel Sanders, and a couple of pieces on D instead with the cap space? No I wouldn't be shocked and I might even like it with the caveat that Talib is a tough piece to replace. The interior lines were a killer against Denver.

Add an interior DL who can rush in and an upgrade at RG/C in the draft to the returning pieces with some modest free agent signings and it's an 11-12 win team again without Talib and Edelman assuming Brady doesn't fall off a cliff or catastrophic injuries don't hit again. Its not the '07 group at the skill positions, but there's enough to score points, particularly if/when Gronk comes back.

Lets just see how it plays out. Too soon to read the market yet

Tell me what you think what Gronk will do and I will tell you where this team will go.

Its definately something that they dont want to do but it feels like BB really likes him. I think alot of the Welker pick play comments had to do with him wanting to support Talib and show he had his back. There was also the post game press conference where he gave Talib credit for them bringing in Blount.

Theres also the fact that the pass defense is soo much better when he is on the field. I think there is a good chance they get a deal done before free agency. If not i wouldnt be shocked if they Tag him and continue to work on a multi-year deal.

Im somewhat optimistic about the offense next year (pending Gronks health). I have confidence in them getting a slot WR that works. I havent given up on Amendola yet by any means. The area they seem to struggle is the outside WR and alot of my optimism comes from being high on Dobson.

If they pick up a TE in free agency or the draft that can contribute this year then im confident going forward with that TE they pick up, Gronk, Amendola and Dobson.

Kinda Off-Topic......I heard Bert Breer talking about how the new Slot WR is one like Harvin and Cruz who can stretch the field aswell as working the short pass. He said that Pats might view Boyce as that type of player. Not much from his first season to point to anything like that, but if he grows into that kind of rule it would be huge.

Everyone gives **** on Brady's weapons but forgets the the gigantic contracts given out to Gronk and Hernandez. Edelman was not designed as the number one wide out receiver. This was not BB's gameplan. Pats are rebuilding the offense as fast as they are the defense.

I realize that involves other FAs, but on the front I worry about keeping Brady healthy and giving him enough skill positions. I'm simply not as confident about Dobson and Thompkins as you are.

We built this offense on a tight end who can barely see the field and one who can't see out of his jail cell. That's not what the Pats FO intended.

SALVA NETWORK BREAKING NEWS: HERNANDEZ AND GRONK CONTRACTS HAVE NOT GONE TO PLAN

SALVA NETWORK BREAKING NEWS: PATS WILL BE A BETTER TEAM NEXT YEAR IF ALL WORLD TE PLAYS

Im pretty sure the general consensus at the time of the Gronk and Hernandez extensions was that it was a great move. Sucks the way it has turned out buy im not going to **** on them for those extensions.

I also hope it doesnt stop them from pro-actively signing players before their rookie contracts run out and they are forced to overpay to retain them.

Gronk extension hasnt worked out so far, but might still be fine when its all over even with the obvious use of hindsight bias. Of course that's going to marginally limit the amount of money available for other players, including guys for Brady to throw to. Them's the breaks.

We just have different defintions of flailing, rebuilding, and success than Salva does *shrug*

Riley Cooper signed for 5/25. Different kind of player than Edelman, but wouldnt sign him if that's the price FWIW

EDIT: Also want to clarify one thing. I dont think WR's and TEs are unimportant. I think its good if the Pats can upgrade at those positions. I just dont think its the only way to improve the team. Upgrading the non-Gronk TE's is a necessity and pretty easy bang for the buck, so I expect that will happen. Upgrading at WR or signing Edelman to a big deal dont strike me as having obvious cost-effective/good bang for the buck solutions and dont seem like a great place to expend large dollars or resources given the players available and other, more pressing, needs to address with high draft picks.

Signing Edelman to a reasonable deal, swapping Edelman for Sanders if the dollars make sense (Id keep Edelman at same dollars), spending a mid roundish pick and/or adding another lower cost vet solution all strike me as a reasonable way to address the WR position this offseason while fielding a contending team in 2014.

I'd be very surprised if we don't draft a TE in the first 3 rounds. We have done a pretty darn good job recently of drafting talented TE's so let's hope that continues! Are there any talented versatile TE's coming out this year? I feel like BB would go with the guy who could fill multiple roles if given a choice.

Me too. Im not a college expert, but there are 4 or 5 TEs coming out that should go fairly early, 2 or 3 are more move tight ends.