Tarvaris is the worst pick in the Childress era of everyone that was taken in the first four rounds..

I've seen every snap he's taken with the Vikings.. But you're right, I haven't been to every one of his games live.. It isn't impossible to judge him from watching him on TV, right now he isn't very good..

You mean at the beginning of last season he wasn't good? Including preseason he played very well in 5 of his last 6 games.

Marcus McCauley isn't with the team anymore and Cook was as big a reach (in terms of where the media thought they'd go) as Tarvaris and is relatively worse.

Cook, McCauley and Jackson are all terrible picks. The best thing about the first two is we didnt stake our seasons on either of them being able to perform at a high level playing the most important position on the team. They were much more expendable. The biggest problem with how the Jackson situation was handled is there was never a good alternative if he didnt perform well. At least until mid-way through the pre season this year.


I learned today from a very good source that Winfield is out for sure Sunday, and likely out for quite a while. Also, Percy is hurting, but not much more than last week, and he will likely be ok to play. I'm kind of surprised to hear that about Harvin after seeing the hit he took. He seems like a tough little bastard.

Didn't PFT report from somewhere that Winfield was out last night?

Jackson wasn't a terrible pick at all. Getting a marginal starting QB at the end of the second round is just fine. What was terrible was not bringing in a better QB to start in 06/07 and probably 08.

Obviously losing Winfield sucks, but if he misses the Pitt & GB games and then can get healthy over the bye - I'm all for that.

ok - so why do you have a problem with someone saying that childress handled the tj situation poorly?

I didnt read PFT, but I just read this:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/1...y-for-Steelers
"If there's anybody that has a chance (to play) because of the notes he takes and how he looks at it, (it's Winfield)," coach Brad Childress said Thursday. "At some point you have to warm up and move around, but I don't know right now."

BS imo. I trust my source better than this rubbish.


It was a terrible pick because of the fact we moved up to draft a guy who was rated as a 4th rounder. That and what has transpired since has made it a terrible pick. We can debate his value is now, whether it be a borderline starter or marginal backup, but what is relevant imo, is how Chilly handled the QB position after drafting him. He has been over-valued by Chilly all along, which has led us to a mess at the most important position on the team. This makes it a bad draft pick.

Because drafting TJ and signing Johnson/Holcumbe/Frerotte instead of someone decent are somewhat independent decisions.

Who rated him a 4th rounder? If you are at the end of the 2nd and there is a guy available that you really want, you get him. Any time you pick a player with the last pick of the 2nd round and he is with the club long enough to make it to restricted free agency it was a decent pick. You expect way too much.

And this is assuming he is as bad as you think he is, which of course isn't true.

I heard from multiple places after he was drafted that most other NFL teams rated him as a 4th rounder. We had to give up picks to move up to the spot he was drafted in. This would have been fine if he turned out to be the player who Chilly wanted him to be (the second coming of D. McNabb), but it hasn't worked out that way.

huh? someone said that chilly handled the tj situation bad. then you said that tj was not a horrilble pick. chilly could have handled the tj situation bad and tj could have been an ok pick at the same time

willie,
I doubt the tjax haters think the problem is that he didn't get enough playing time.

Unless cha was talking about benching him at the beginning of last season (which I'm sure he wasn't) which I thought at the time and still think was a ridiculous and terrible decision, I don't know how Childress could have handled TJ differently?

He was an ok draft pick, it was fine to start him at the end of his rookie season when we sucked, it was fine to start him his 2nd season given the other options and it was certainly fine to start him over Frerotte last season.

Did you know that TJ's career (regular season) adjusted net yards per attempt was about the same as Eli Manning's before this season started? That by ANY/A, his 7 games or whatever last season were better on average then any season Eli has had? He has also only played in 28 games, less then two full seasons, including all the partial games he's gotten into. And Eli had Burress + a better OL.

That is an above average 64th overall pick.

as you said, what was bad was not getting anyone better than TJ. to me, at least, that is totally tied to childress being stubborn about TJ being his guy. if you wanted to describe that blunder in two words i think it'd be fair to say "tj".

there is nothing implied there that tj was a bad draft pick.

he could have had a plan B.

This.

The fact that chilly traded up for him, seemed to make chilly think he was going to be a lot better than he is. The fact that chilly has never had a good plan B is why it was a bad pick.

As far as what I think of TJ, I have exaggerated a lot about my dislike for him before, but I do not think he should be plan A, and never should have been plan A. He is a project, with limited upside.

This is exactly what I meant when I quoted that guys list of Chili problems and just added the Tarvaris comment

Not much being said here about the game tomorrow.

Is Pittsburgh going to exploit our D after seeing what Baltimore did last week, or are we going to actually tackle people this week?

I wonder if we get blown out, if the Chilly contract extension talk will go away for a while.

I think we have a decent chance to win this game, but its something <50%.

vegas says 27%

winfield out 4-6 weeks

roethlesberger will get his yards, he will also get sacked a ton. chalk up another 2+ sacks for jared

kind of hard to say how the vikings offense will do, favre has to have a bad game soon right?

about Winfield.
After steelers/packers we have Bye and Detroit so let's hope he can be back at full strength for Seattle/Chicago

I have a weird feeling the game is going to be a shootout. I know Roethlisberger is going to throw for like 500 yards, have a feeling the Vikings offense is going to mostly keep pace and we'll probably lose on a Childress coaching fail.

WTF IS UP WITH THIS PUNTING? SERIOUSLY?

44-36-12 YRDS without any pressure

vikings looking better this drive but all these short passes worry me. could see one being jumped for 6 the other way.

god that's a tough last 2nd quarter drive. 2 missed tackles on m. moore in the backfield on 3rd down, e.j. dropped interception, johnson had a (tougher) chance at an interception.