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Old 07-07-2009, 05:25 PM   #251
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Re: Favre to Vikings?

Even if Tjax's is just a replacement level starter/average backup (despite being better than that in his limited playing time) that is still much better than Booty's ceiling, which is perennial third stringer. The Vikings have so much talent outside of QB that they are really wasting this window unless they can get incredibly lucky or get good QB play. Favre isn't the answer. At best he is marginally better than Sage or Tjax and isn't the answer. The answer should have been fire Chilly, trade for Cutler, win Super Bowl and form dynasty with ADP/Cutler/Allen/Kwill, but ofc that would never happen.
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Old 07-07-2009, 05:44 PM   #252
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Even if Tjax's is just a replacement level starter/average backup (despite being better than that in his limited playing time) that is still much better than Booty's ceiling, which is perennial third stringer. The Vikings have so much talent outside of QB that they are really wasting this window unless they can get incredibly lucky or get good QB play. Favre isn't the answer. At best he is marginally better than Sage or Tjax and isn't the answer. The answer should have been fire Chilly, trade for Cutler, win Super Bowl and form dynasty with ADP/Cutler/Allen/Kwill, but ofc that would never happen.
This. Trading for Cutler would have been epic.
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Old 07-07-2009, 06:21 PM   #253
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This. Trading for Cutler would have been epic.
And firing Chilly would be epic as well. If Favre fails, this will likely be his last year. The Favre thing will be good one way or another Pudge. Missing out on Cutler sucks though. Yet another failure of Chillyball.
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Old 07-07-2009, 06:47 PM   #254
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One positive of Favre is his sack% is very low. McKinnie will be a much improved pass blocking OL(see: D'Brickashaw Ferguson). The turnovers are killer for a team that runs the ball like the Vikes do though. If Favre keeps his sack% where its at and gives defenses a reason to keep that safety out of the box then its a success. I don't particularly like it, I'm a fan of long term and not short term and I'd rather see the Vikes look for a franchise LT and franchise QB rather than take a swing at the fences when you are one injury away from where you are now.

WRT Cutler, I can't see McDaniels wanting Sage or TJax, but in that case I guess I couldn't have seen him wanting Orton but he may have felt Orton had more upside and that could have been the deal winner for the Bears. No idea though, just speculating.
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Old 07-07-2009, 06:54 PM   #255
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Needle,
The rumour was Vikes 1st --> Pats, Cassel --> Broncos, Cutler --> Vikings. Obviously this would have been a terribad deal for the Broncos, but given the great value for the Pats and McDaniels loving Cassell it was in the ball park.

Favre's low sack rate is very highly correlated with his high interception rate, he doesnt take sacks and throws the lots of INTs because of it.
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Old 07-07-2009, 06:57 PM   #256
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Thats what I get for getting involved in the trade talk when I had no idea, my bad. Yeah that would have been a lol trade.

And I was just trying to be positive with Favre/McKinnie. At least that defender/safety might sit in coverage more!

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Old 07-07-2009, 07:39 PM   #257
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Favre's low sack rate is very highly correlated with his high interception rate, he doesnt take sacks and throws the lots of INTs because of it.
throwing the ball away is for losers, not gamers who love to get dirty and are just having fun out there.
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Old 07-07-2009, 07:50 PM   #258
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It is a lolworthy trade but considering the Broncos apparently preferred Cassel to Cutler it isn't that crazy. Maybe throw in another future Vikings pick going to the Broncos and everyone (Vikings/Broncos/Pats) ends up w/ more than they have now (in their own eyes).
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Old 07-11-2009, 08:01 PM   #259
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Old 07-11-2009, 11:40 PM   #260
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This basically makes the entire Vikings season lose-lose for me, so I'm really hoping it doesnt happen. Actually, its lose-lose-win because it is an epic win if Favre goes lol-and-3 to start out the season and then gets a catastrophic (but painless and cheerful and rainbow ponies for all you nits) injury and is done for the season and we finish 12-3.
Which game are you expecting to be canceled?
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Old 07-12-2009, 03:19 PM   #261
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The Vikings should go after Vick.

FWIW, I actually think Vick was a crap QB, and I don't really like him.

However.....a backfield of Vick at QB, Peterson, and Harvin it would just be silly.

With some average blocking I see no way that this offense can be stopped.
big problem w/ that thinking
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Old 07-12-2009, 05:46 PM   #262
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Week 10.
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Old 07-12-2009, 06:45 PM   #263
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big problem w/ that thinking
Thats the biggest obstacle we have to winning it all, regardless of talent.
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Old 07-12-2009, 06:56 PM   #264
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ya tbh i don't know if Chilly dog is capable of winning a superbowl, period.
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Old 07-12-2009, 08:03 PM   #265
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obviously his reputation precedes himself, but what exactly is so bad about him?
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Old 07-13-2009, 11:39 AM   #266
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obviously his reputation precedes himself, but what exactly is so bad about him?
I'm sure I'll be leaving a lot out. This is off the top of my head:

When he came here, he was supposedly a QB guru, having trained Donovan McNabb. He began his tenure by pissing off several players, including trading Culpepper for a 2nd round pick who became our worthless right tackle, Ryan Cook. He pissed off Brad Johnson, Matt Birk, Antoine Winfield, etc. He almost cut Pat Williams for being too heavy (Pat might be the best nose tackle in football). He pissed off many other veterans.

He brought in a complicated, stupid offensive line blocking scheme that screwed up a formerly solid offensive line. The linemen seem to be confused about their assignments

We were a 9-7 team when Chilly took over and this was considered the prime open head coaching job that year. He proceeded to do many of the things stated above and led us to a stellar 6-10 record his 1st year. Yes we have improved since then, but I credit that to the talent that has been brought in by our owner's willingness to spend lots of money, and by Adrian Peterson falling into our laps.

For those unaware, Chilly probably has more say regarding the personnel on this team than anyone else.

He reluctantly chose Adrian Peterson in the 2007 draft. He really wanted the safety who got picked ahead of AP (I forget his name), and considered trading up for him. When it came time to make the choice for AP, it still was not an easy one.

Our QB situation has been worse for his entire three years than it has been at any time in team history, aside from the scab team during the strike. This is because he is so arrogant that he figured he would be able to mold TJ into the next McNabb. He figures he was responsible for making McNabb as good as he has been, so he should be able to do it with anyone else.

We could have traded for Jay Cutler before any other team knew he was available. The asking price was much less than what Chicago wound up giving up. The reason the trade didn't happen was because Chilly wasn't "sold" on Cutler. Watch & see how this decision works out.

His in game clock management is stupid.

He is the worst coach I have ever seen at making adjustments to what the other team is doing during a game. If you see the Vikings playing against a team with a good coach, its obvious that the other team is always a step ahead of us. See games vs Tennessee (Fisher), New England (Belichick) & Washington (Gibbs) as examples. It isn't as obvious every game, but he is clearly the worst head coach on the sideline every game.

He has always had a condescending attitude towards anyone who questions anything he does.

Other Viking fans - please feel free to pile on.
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obviously his reputation precedes himself, but what exactly is so bad about him?
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Old 07-13-2009, 12:56 PM   #268
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off the top of my head

he's the worst game day coach of all time. Down 8 pts scores and kicks the PAT late in the 3rd quarter. Called a timeout to decide if he was going to challenge or not when the penalty for a missed challenge is .... a TIMEOUT!

6 seconds left in the game we can take 1 shot at the endzone before attempting the FG. What does he call? PLAY ACTION PASS [the defense was basically in prevent]. Why? Because we don't have any pass plays that go past 30 yards w/o it being play action.

In AD's first year he used him poorly, in AD's 2nd yr he overused him. By the time chilly is gonna be gone AD is prob gonna be banged up and out of gas.

He is the one guy in charge of the QB spot and he has made a joke of it.

LOVES to send out 2 fullbacks and **** like that. God I agree that our offense should primarily run out of double TE cuz we have bad WRs and Shank and Jimmy K are both good [also double TE is good for running clearly] but ****ing ditch the FBs. What he does is bundle up all the offense so that a defense can just sit in the box, we don't even try to stretch the D w/ 3 wide formations or anything. AD says he prefers to run w/o a FB [cuz we didnt resign Richardson and w/e his name ****ing sucks]. Chilly won't adjust.

If it's a non PA pass play he will ahve AD line up 2 yards closer to the QB, you can safely call the run or PA vs Pass at about 90% accuracy once u see how they're lined up. If I can do this I'm sure the defense is ALL over this.

Watch the saints game it had me wanting to kill him.
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Old 07-13-2009, 12:59 PM   #269
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Plus he looks like he likes little boys, he gives absolutely terrible (awful) interviews and the Vikings haven't played up to what their fans perceive their talent level to be.
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:05 PM   #270
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He brought in a complicated, stupid offensive line blocking scheme that screwed up a formerly solid offensive line. The linemen seem to be confused about their assignments
This. Which tilts me to no end. We've had an above average offensive line here for years and years. And it's a complete mess in Chilly's scheme. Sooooo many running plays run between the tackles where AP has guys on his feet 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage. It's just a trainwreck.

Plus, he's supposedly an offensive genius with a kick-ass west coast offense. And yet we run way too many of our plays with a FB and 2/3 TE's on the field. For one, we don't have a decent fullback and he just gets in AP's way most of the time. And we don't have enough TE's to roll 3 of them out there twice a series. On passing plays our extra TE's have zero ability to get open vs anyone and on running plays multi-TE's just bring everyone in to stack the box agst AP.

Because of AP, the Vikings offense would be basically unstoppable if we opened things up. By that I mean, no fullback. Just use one HB all the time. And every play run with either 3WR/1TE or 4 WR. And, just a conventional, run-of-the-mill offensive line scheme. Nobody would stop us and AP would run for 2000+.

But, Chilly is stubborn. He has blinders on. He has to be THE MAN. It's his way or the highway. And he's gonna prove that His Way is an effective way to win the Super Bowl. And he's gonna be gone after this year because it's not.
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:07 PM   #271
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But, Chilly is stubborn. He has blinders on. He has to be THE MAN. It's his way or the highway. And he's gonna prove that His Way is an effective way to win the Super Bowl. And he's gonna be gone after this year because it's not.
He was sure wishy-washy on who was the best starting QB last season.
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:49 PM   #272
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i find that nfl coaches are in general annoyingly stubborn. most of them want to implement their scheme, obv its better than anyone elses ldo. whether or not a previous scheme/player set was successful is often irrelevant if the players do not fit into the coaches philosophy/mold of players he wants. why its so rare for a coach to try and tune to the abilities of his inherited players instead of his own system is beyond me. i have a small suspicion that mcdaniels wanted cutler gone from day 1 for this exact reason

also coaches throwing blinders on is not uncommon imo. last year the jets had one of the best running games that ive ever seen them have. the chiefs and broncos had 2 of the absolute worst run defenses in the league. somehow this translated to less than 20 rush attempts in both games while letting favre chuck 35+ pass attempts

many coordinators will be looked at as offensive/defensive gurus simply for having success in one regime and then are recruited to a new team to try and rebuild that side of the ball. i think its obvious that this should usually end up with failure more often than quick success. even if the coach theoretically gets all the players he wants, the implementation of a new system/playbook can take a full year or longer to actually be successful. imo continuity is extremely important and seems to get neglected by many coaches. this is exactly why i hated the favre deal for the jets, changing a qb is almost as monumental as changing coaches

sucks about chilly, hes clearly not going to change unless he gets fired, and regardless it seems that he is best suited as a coordinator rather than HC. but hey at least your roster is chock full of talent, and that sure fire hall of famer is gonna be at qb this year!

fwiw, i think favre will do better as a viking than he did as a jet. it will be the offense hes used to, as oppose to the college-level playbook the jets were forced to use with him.
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:50 PM   #273
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11-5 or 12-4 record with favre starting. they got AP #28
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Plus he looks like he likes little boys, he gives absolutely terrible (awful) interviews and the Vikings haven't played up to what their fans perceive their talent level to be.
This one had me rofl

Keep the comments coming guys. All great stuff.

As an aside, I'm well aware that a lot of fans do not like the head coach of their favorite team. I liked all of the previous Vikings coaches a lot better than this idiot. At least Steckle only lasted one year, or I might have almost disliked him as bad as Chilly, almost.

Tice was a goofy bastard, Denny Green was an ******* and had plenty of other faults, Burnsie was almost like a cartoon character & Bud was awesome. I'd take any of them over Chilly.

There are a ****load of great head coaches available right now. Cowher, Shanahan (former MN Gopher assistant), Gruden, Dungy (former MN Gopher QB), probably some more I'm forgetting. We have a huge opportunity the next couple years, but having Chilly in charge is putting the brakes on it.
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Old 07-13-2009, 07:40 PM   #275
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Vikes standard formation should be

QB: Favre
RB: AD
WR: Berrian / Wade
WR: Rice / Harvin
TE: Shank
TE: Jimmy K

Then on legit passing downs take out Jimmy K and put in an extra WR.

Instead our typical offense is
QB
FB: TAHI LOL
RB: AD
WR: Berrian
TE: Shank
TE: Jimmy K or HB: G. Mills

also any guesses on Tahi's Career Yards Per Catch w/o looking it up????
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