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Old 03-07-2019, 10:08 PM   #11076
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Re: Minnesota Timberwolves- Re-re-rebuilding Time

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I liked watching Zach push Jimmy's **** in for the 2nd year in a row. Kind of sad that we're not involved in any way.

RoCo is a good role player on a good contract, but he's not a star. Daric, much as i try to like him, is not all that good.
Think of the wolves with Lavine and Markennan. I hate my life.
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Old 03-08-2019, 12:36 PM   #11077
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Yep. Everybody would be on more-or-less the same timeline. We would have had tons of cap space last year too. But we wouldn't have been able to watch last year's surly, miserable team get the 8 seed then get stomped in 5 games.
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Old 03-08-2019, 01:10 PM   #11078
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I don't remember whose theory this is, but I subscribe to it, even applied to the NBA.

Late-season success is a better predictor of future season success than late-season failure, even when accounting for improved draft equity.

So the best way to finish out the season would be for all the guys who are under team control for awhile: Wiggins, Dieng, Covington, Okogie and especially Towns, to play great, even if that moves them down a couple of slots in the draft.

Also, I think tanking is lame and permanently makes everyone involved less competitive (psychologically). You can't allow yourself to give up on a single defensive possession or rebound, much less a whole game.
I agree with this. **** tanking.
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Old 03-09-2019, 02:41 PM   #11079
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Re: Minnesota Timberwolves- Re-re-rebuilding Time

Wiggins is so ****ing bad....

https://deadspin.com/andrew-wiggins-...-is-1833135884

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Andrew Wiggins can't shoot:
1) Out of 133 players with at least 500 FGA this season, he ranks 132nd in TS%
2) Out of 46 players with at least 500 FGA beyond 8 feet, he ranks 45th in FG%
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Let’s put all this badness in a historical context, so that you can see that this blog serves some purpose beyond just being mean to a random ****ty NBA player. Here come some more numbers!

The Timberwolves have 17 games remaining on their schedule. Assuming Wiggins stays healthy and appears in all 17 (a likely but not sure thing; he’s missed six games so far), he is on pace to finish with around 1,244 total shot attempts and 358 three-point attempts on the season. In the NBA’s three-point era—so, going all the way back to the 1979-80 season—there have been 188 instances of individual players recording at least 1,200 total shot attempts and 350 three-point tries over the course of a single season. Wiggins’s .483 True Shooting Percentage, if it holds up, will rank worse than 184 of those.

The holistic figures are even worse, as befits a player who takes a lot of shots, makes a historically low percentage of them, and contributes almost nothing else of note.

Wiggins’s Player Efficiency Rating (PER) is 11.9; if it holds up, that will be nearly a full point worse than the next-worst PER (12.7, Klay Thompson in 2012-13) by any of the 188 players on the aforementioned list.
Wiggins’s -0.6 VORP (Value Over Replacement Player) will be the worst on that list by a healthy margin; before now, Devin Booker in 2016-17 (-0.2) was the only player ever to have recorded a negative number for VORP in a season in which he attempted at least 1,200 shots and 350 threes.
Wiggins’s .012 Win Shares per 48 minutes is less than half that of the next-worst player (Isaiah Rider, 1994-95!) out of those 188.

What I am saying here is that Andrew Wiggins is not just having a bad season, and he is not just an inefficient scorer. Andrew Wiggins is having one of the worst all-around seasons by any high-usage player in the modern history of the NBA. That’s not great.

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Old 03-09-2019, 03:52 PM   #11080
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Re: Minnesota Timberwolves- Re-re-rebuilding Time

Oh my god. That win shares tidbit was a perfect way to top off that piece.
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Old 03-09-2019, 04:44 PM   #11081
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Worst contract in NBA history.
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:46 PM   #11082
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I don't remember whose theory this is, but I subscribe to it, even applied to the NBA.

Late-season success is a better predictor of future season success than late-season failure, even when accounting for improved draft equity.

So the best way to finish out the season would be for all the guys who are under team control for awhile: Wiggins, Dieng, Covington, Okogie and especially Towns, to play great, even if that moves them down a couple of slots in the draft.

Also, I think tanking is lame and permanently makes everyone involved less competitive (psychologically). You can't allow yourself to give up on a single defensive possession or rebound, much less a whole game.
Agree wholeheartedly with your final paragraph


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Old 03-12-2019, 10:16 PM   #11083
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Wolves need to find a way to get rid of Wiggins this offseason. Wiggins can not be apart of a successful team. If Dallas found a way to trade Barnes, wolves need to do the same.
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Old 03-13-2019, 12:44 AM   #11084
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Re: Minnesota Timberwolves- Re-re-rebuilding Time

Better starting lineup, 13-14 Wolves or 17-18 Wolves?

Rubio-Martin-Brewer-Love-Pek: 1052 minutes, 114 ORtg, 101.6 DRtg, Net +12.3. TS .572 (NBA average .541), Reb % 54.0

Teague-Wiggins-Butler-Taj-Towns: 1131 minutes, 112 ORtg, 104.7 DRtg, Net +7.3 TS .573 (NBA average .556) Reb% 51.6

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Old 03-13-2019, 12:53 AM   #11085
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Re: Minnesota Timberwolves- Re-re-rebuilding Time

13-14 Wolves: 9th ORtg, 12th DRtg, 3.10 SRS

17-18 Wolves: 4th ORtg, 27th DRtg, 2.35 SRS

A lot of us will never forgive the 13-14 Wolves for quitting down the stretch losing 4 of the last 5 including 3 games to teams with 25 wins or fewer and thus somehow missing the over 40.5. Still, that team had a top 10 offense and defense for the first 75 games and ran historically under expectation in close games.

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Old 03-16-2019, 12:14 AM   #11086
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I honestly think that any of the players in Utah's rotation would be the 2nd best player on the Wolves. Kind of amazing how bad this roster is.
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Old 03-16-2019, 03:26 PM   #11087
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Haha I had that over too.
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Old 03-20-2019, 04:39 PM   #11088
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Someone tried comparing Wiggins with Giannis in the comments on Canis, saying they have similar talent or something, something to do with driving or dunking ability or something ridiculous..... Another guy went stat hunting and came up with this:

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Wiggins 2pt FG% when he has 2-6 seconds before shooting: 42.9
Wiggins 2pt FG% when he has 6+ seconds before shooting: 29.6

Giannis 2pt FG% when he has 2-6 seconds before shooting: 56.9
Giannis 2pt FG% when he has 6+ seconds before shooting: 63.7

Wiggins 2pt FG% after 1 dribble: 43.1
Wiggins 2pt FG% after 2 dribble: 42.8
Wiggins 2pt FG% after 3-6 dribble: 39.4
Wiggins 2pt FG% after 7+ dribble: 30.8

Giannis 2pt FG% after 1 dribble: 65.2
Giannis 2pt FG% after 2 dribble: 58.0
Giannis 2pt FG% after 3-6 dribble: 56.2
Giannis 2pt FG% after 7+ dribble: 66.0
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Old 03-25-2019, 08:09 PM   #11089
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Re: Minnesota Timberwolves- Re-re-rebuilding Time

Ja Morant to KAT would be real nice.

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Old 04-08-2019, 06:17 PM   #11090
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I was super bored at work so i started reading this thread from 7 years ago. It was the best of times really. Some gifs i made from Ricky's 2nd ever game:

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Old 04-09-2019, 01:10 PM   #11091
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We got Okogie with the pick we got for Rubio. I like Okogie, but trading Rubio and signing Teague was a huge mistake then and its still bad. I hope somehow Teague decides to opt out of his option (unlikely) and we sign Rubio for next season.
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Old 04-09-2019, 04:22 PM   #11092
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We got Okogie with the pick we got for Rubio. I like Okogie, but trading Rubio and signing Teague was a huge mistake then and its still bad. I hope somehow Teague decides to opt out of his option (unlikely) and we sign Rubio for next season.
Will wiggins still be on the team? If so, it doesnt matter what this team does.
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:51 PM   #11093
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Will wiggins still be on the team? If so, it doesnt matter what this team does.
This. Our #1 priority has to be trading Wiggins. Is it even possible?
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Old 04-10-2019, 02:41 AM   #11094
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This. Our #1 priority has to be trading Wiggins. Is it even possible?
Would two firsts to a tanking team get it done? Apparently the Knicks wanted 3 firsts when trying to get rid of Dennis Smith, so who knows? Four years seems like an eternity, but he could be flipped again in his last year pretty easily I assume.

The hard part which I really have no idea about would be getting the salaries to work out, but it only takes one other GM to say yes.
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Old 04-10-2019, 05:54 AM   #11095
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Wiggins getting much, much better is our best path forward. If he can pull himself up to less negative of an asset he'll be much easier to move.

We are the kind of team that should be eating a Wiggins-like contract btw. We're in cap hell anyway thanks to 2 years of Thibs, and we've got a couple of years where we can't do anything.
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Old 04-10-2019, 07:29 AM   #11096
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Conflicting reports last night on what they're doing with the front office.

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Old 04-10-2019, 11:13 AM   #11097
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Will wiggins still be on the team? If so, it doesnt matter what this team does.
you're probably right

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This. Our #1 priority has to be trading Wiggins. Is it even possible?
possible, but the word is out on him. I think its going to cost us.

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Would two firsts to a tanking team get it done? Apparently the Knicks wanted 3 firsts when trying to get rid of Dennis Smith, so who knows? Four years seems like an eternity, but he could be flipped again in his last year pretty easily I assume.

The hard part which I really have no idea about would be getting the salaries to work out, but it only takes one other GM to say yes.
ugh. I dont think I would give up two 1sts, and probably not even this year's #1, but I dont think either way would be realistic anyway. I think getting rid of him might involve taking back slightly less bad contracts along with some kind of draft pick(s), but no lottery picks. On second thought, maybe if the #1s are heavily protected, it would make sense. Hopefully our new POBO (assuming we get one) isnt hamstrung by Taylor and has the freedom to get rid of Wiggins instead of trying to get him to fulfill his potential, which is obviously never going to happen.

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Hopefully Jon K is right. Hopefully whoever is the new POBO has no country club ties. We do not want Billups.
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Old 04-10-2019, 11:47 AM   #11098
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Jon K has a long article about our new POBO search today. He knows something. Apparently there will be an announcement today that we are searching for a new POBO.

edit - there already has been an announcement.
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Wiggins getting much, much better is our best path forward. If he can pull himself up to less negative of an asset he'll be much easier to move.
I know I should probably be past this by now, but Iím still amazed that someone with the athleticism of Wiggins isnít at least average. Yet heís shooting 52% at the basket (baffling), and eFG-wise, being guarded by Standrew is the same as having a wide open shot.

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Hopefully Jon K is right. Hopefully whoever is the new POBO has no country club ties. We do not want Billups.
I just hope it takes a little more than looking Taylor in the eyes and promising to do a good job to get hired.
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Old 04-11-2019, 02:03 PM   #11100
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Even though I like Ryan Saunders, now that Dave Joerger is available, who do you think the Wolves are better of with?
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